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Nutrient Def and can't figure out why?

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I've been banging my head off the wall as of late because I'm running a few girls in a few different mediums and I have been having what looks like a mag Def. Can't be that Cuz I've grown long enough to fix most all nute based deficiencies through all the accepted routes. Second thought it must be bugs. Even further proving that I've seen white larva looking things in the top couple inches of my Coco and non limed mixes. Must be fungus gnats right? Nope. After watching these fuckin worms under a x60 scope three is no black head and they are a bit longer and skinnier as well. It's plant parasitic nematodes. Yes people there are bad nematodes. Pulled a couple plants to check for everything under the sun. Nothing stops these bastards. I could post three hundred links but all u have to do is Google it and then is thousands of pages of info. It's 312 am and I just got done reading page after page. U either deter them with high populations of bennies or lime. However they can invade a limed soil but would prefer something without it. And as for bennies it's the chitinase that fuck them up. So top dress with some crab or crustacean meal for a jump in chitin which adds the chitinase bacteria. They feast on the parasitic nematode eggs. In saying this it's not a hundred percent just unlikely that they will invade a soil or soiless mix containing high concentrations of chitinase. So get chitin into ur mix. Been growing a long time. Added quite a few beneficial nematodes to my soil and soiless mixes but was never invaded by the parasitic to plant kind until now. So if u r experiencing mag Def symptoms and can truly eliminate grower error and bugs it could be these bastards. Hard to see but not if ur looking. I first noticed I had an issue the other night. Lifting up my smart pot to check for bugs on the roots that grow through. Saw these tiny worm like almost fungus gnat things all over the fabric. Fuckers. If we didn't already have enough to worry about. The chemicals that kill them are so toxic the home gardener can't get them and wouldn't want them obviously. Sorry this is so long but like I said I'm blown away. Seems that marigolds demolish there populations as well but need to literally be grown as a cover crop and unless outdoors it doesn't make sense. So just wanted to bring this to everyone's attention if they r having mag issues with no explanation. If a mod reads this and feels it should be moved or retitled please do so! Think it's pretty important. Finally if anyone really needs me to I can post links but the info is readily available. Google parasitic plant nematodes. Peace and good vibes to all that read through this scatter brained post!
 
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Forgot to mention. There is two kinds. Endo and ecto. Just like mycrorhize fungus. So insane. So I believe Endo suck roots. Those give u mag Def symptoms. Then there is the ecto. They can actually populate the inside of ur roots or they get onto ur leaves by entering the stoma and present as a cal. This pic is a plant that was infected that way. But also had them in my root zone. Like I said I'm blown away. The other pic is of the plant that they were actually swimming in the fabric of my smartie. Easily seen in trays of run off as well. For the record I belive caps foliar pack would prevent the stoma entering assholes. Cap that foliar pack is magic bro.
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Tnelz said:
This link is one of many that speaks on the importance of chitin and chitinase and it's use to combat ppn(plant parasitic nematodes)
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And it also states it's overall ineffectiveness. Lol. I guess it's somewhat promising vs ppn but apparently these fuckin nematodes are real bastards. Lol.
 
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There is a wealth of information on this subject as well. Boy I've opened up Pandora box. Lol. I'm on a mission to slaughter these things.
 
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Tnelz said:
I've been banging my head off the wall as of late because I'm running a few girls in a few different mediums and I have been having what looks like a mag Def. Can't be that Cuz I've grown long enough to fix most all nute based deficiencies through all the accepted routes. Second thought it must be bugs. Even further proving that I've seen white larva looking things in the top couple inches of my Coco and non limed mixes. Must be fungus gnats right? Nope. After watching these fuckin worms under a x60 scope three is no black head and they are a bit longer and skinnier as well. It's plant parasitic nematodes. Yes people there are bad nematodes. Pulled a couple plants to check for everything under the sun. Nothing stops these bastards. I could post three hundred links but all u have to do is Google it and then is thousands of pages of info. It's 312 am and I just got done reading page after page. U either deter them with high populations of bennies or lime. However they can invade a limed soil but would prefer something without it. And as for bennies it's the chitinase that fuck them up. So top dress with some crab or crustacean meal for a jump in chitin which adds the chitinase bacteria. They feast on the parasitic nematode eggs. In saying this it's not a hundred percent just unlikely that they will invade a soil or soiless mix containing high concentrations of chitinase. So get chitin into ur mix. Been growing a long time. Added quite a few beneficial nematodes to my soil and soiless mixes but was never invaded by the parasitic to plant kind until now. So if u r experiencing mag Def symptoms and can truly eliminate grower error and bugs it could be these bastards. Hard to see but not if ur looking. I first noticed I had an issue the other night. Lifting up my smart pot to check for bugs on the roots that grow through. Saw these tiny worm like almost fungus gnat things all over the fabric. Fuckers. If we didn't already have enough to worry about. The chemicals that kill them are so toxic the home gardener can't get them and wouldn't want them obviously. Sorry this is so long but like I said I'm blown away. Seems that marigolds demolish there populations as well but need to literally be grown as a cover crop and unless outdoors it doesn't make sense. So just wanted to bring this to everyone's attention if they r having mag issues with no explanation. If a mod reads this and feels it should be moved or retitled please do so! Think it's pretty important. Finally if anyone really needs me to I can post links but the info is readily available. Google parasitic plant nematodes. Peace and good vibes to all that read through this scatter brained post!
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Tnelz said:
I've been banging my head off the wall as of late because I'm running a few girls in a few different mediums and I have been having what looks like a mag Def. Can't be that Cuz I've grown long enough to fix most all nute based deficiencies through all the accepted routes. Second thought it must be bugs. Even further proving that I've seen white larva looking things in the top couple inches of my Coco and non limed mixes. Must be fungus gnats right? Nope. After watching these fuckin worms under a x60 scope three is no black head and they are a bit longer and skinnier as well. It's plant parasitic nematodes. Yes people there are bad nematodes. Pulled a couple plants to check for everything under the sun. Nothing stops these bastards. I could post three hundred links but all u have to do is Google it and then is thousands of pages of info. It's 312 am and I just got done reading page after page. U either deter them with high populations of bennies or lime. However they can invade a limed soil but would prefer something without it. And as for bennies it's the chitinase that fuck them up. So top dress with some crab or crustacean meal for a jump in chitin which adds the chitinase bacteria. They feast on the parasitic nematode eggs. In saying this it's not a hundred percent just unlikely that they will invade a soil or soiless mix containing high concentrations of chitinase. So get chitin into ur mix. Been growing a long time. Added quite a few beneficial nematodes to my soil and soiless mixes but was never invaded by the parasitic to plant kind until now. So if u r experiencing mag Def symptoms and can truly eliminate grower error and bugs it could be these bastards. Hard to see but not if ur looking. I first noticed I had an issue the other night. Lifting up my smart pot to check for bugs on the roots that grow through. Saw these tiny worm like almost fungus gnat things all over the fabric. Fuckers. If we didn't already have enough to worry about. The chemicals that kill them are so toxic the home gardener can't get them and wouldn't want them obviously. Sorry this is so long but like I said I'm blown away. Seems that marigolds demolish there populations as well but need to literally be grown as a cover crop and unless outdoors it doesn't make sense. So just wanted to bring this to everyone's attention if they r having mag issues with no explanation. If a mod reads this and feels it should be moved or retitled please do so! Think it's pretty important. Finally if anyone really needs me to I can post links but the info is readily available. Google parasitic plant nematodes. Peace and good vibes to all that read through this scatter brained post!
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Tnelz said:
I've been banging my head off the wall as of late because I'm running a few girls in a few different mediums and I have been having what looks like a mag Def. Can't be that Cuz I've grown long enough to fix most all nute based deficiencies through all the accepted routes. Second thought it must be bugs. Even further proving that I've seen white larva looking things in the top couple inches of my Coco and non limed mixes. Must be fungus gnats right? Nope. After watching these fuckin worms under a x60 scope three is no black head and they are a bit longer and skinnier as well. It's plant parasitic nematodes. Yes people there are bad nematodes. Pulled a couple plants to check for everything under the sun. Nothing stops these bastards. I could post three hundred links but all u have to do is Google it and then is thousands of pages of info. It's 312 am and I just got done reading page after page. U either deter them with high populations of bennies or lime. However they can invade a limed soil but would prefer something without it. And as for bennies it's the chitinase that fuck them up. So top dress with some crab or crustacean meal for a jump in chitin which adds the chitinase bacteria. They feast on the parasitic nematode eggs. In saying this it's not a hundred percent just unlikely that they will invade a soil or soiless mix containing high concentrations of chitinase. So get chitin into ur mix. Been growing a long time. Added quite a few beneficial nematodes to my soil and soiless mixes but was never invaded by the parasitic to plant kind until now. So if u r experiencing mag Def symptoms and can truly eliminate grower error and bugs it could be these bastards. Hard to see but not if ur looking. I first noticed I had an issue the other night. Lifting up my smart pot to check for bugs on the roots that grow through. Saw these tiny worm like almost fungus gnat things all over the fabric. Fuckers. If we didn't already have enough to worry about. The chemicals that kill them are so toxic the home gardener can't get them and wouldn't want them obviously. Sorry this is so long but like I said I'm blown away. Seems that marigolds demolish there populations as well but need to literally be grown as a cover crop and unless outdoors it doesn't make sense. So just wanted to bring this to everyone's attention if they r having mag issues with no explanation. If a mod reads this and feels it should be moved or retitled please do so! Think it's pretty important. Finally if anyone really needs me to I can post links but the info is readily available. Google parasitic plant nematodes. Peace and good vibes to all that read through this scatter brained post!
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Well tnelz I'm glad you figure it out bro I know you were stressed out. P.S. I'm glad the promix HP with the Lime is working for you
 
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i dont knoe hw i hoy tagged in this but i have seen those worms/maggots in my runnoff yes their effectss are of a mag def but semmed easy to rid a couple weeks reg feeds and no root aphids,flys bugs in the area looks like they breed on the unused soil took about 3 weeks to see effects and 2more to see them dissipate. my ex. . . but ive seen em i. the run off youre not crazy lol
 
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ima simple farmer i believe kiss is the best way to go. but def know the struggles of a plant not acting rite. much love to ya keep it green and dont stress the lil shit the big shit will work itself out
 
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