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ORGANICS FANATICS..........even veganics!

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ORGANICS FANATICS..........even veganics!

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Soil Carbon Cowboys: I'll check this out then meditate, medicate then applicate lol atleast in planform

@lino you might appreciate this and I'm not surprised if you have seen this or studied this before


This video explains why people have fucked nature up and how we can fix it
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@SpiderK You might enjoy this. Have a great day
 
@Seamaiden tell me if this helps. GO TO 8:30 if I'm not mistaken this can relate to the wild horse issue especially if those wild horses are forced to graze in same pasture time and time again. Now I just learned this in this cowboy movie so don't dare give me any credit , fast forward to min 8.
Focus
When he says LATENT SEED BANK. Enjoy


If ^^^this didn't help check out just before min. 16:00
Connecting the dots at min 28......incredible epiphanic video , almost done getting my mind blown
 
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Here we go this is the one

Carbon Nation - Official Trailer:
 
I wonder if it's available via on demand programming.
It all got tied together for me this week, and my mind is blown. Does it make sense to you? Because it doesn't make sense to keep doing things this way to me.
Same here! I had no idea how the BLM was managing our lands, let alone how that ultimately relates to how we EAT, and a whole buncha other thangs.


@Seamaiden tell me if this helps. GO TO 8:30 if I'm not mistaken this can relate to the wild horse issue especially if those wild horses are forced to graze in same pasture time and time again. Now I just learned this in this cowboy movie so don't dare give me any credit , fast forward to min 8.
Focus
When he says LATENT SEED BANK. Enjoy


If ^^^this didn't help check out just before min. 16:00
What I heard him talking about at that point (8:30) does have to do with managing grazing lands, but not much beyond the fact that he's increasing forage and water infiltration simultaneously. So, where does that tie in for the wild horses? If you look at the photos of the current round-ups going on, in the 10 states where we still have wild horses left (that term is debated, many consider them invasives, including science. Never mind that Eohippus began on the North American continent, or that horses were here until the end of the last ice age), you'll notice that most of these animals are actually in pretty good condition. You can see a little bit of ribs, but to my eyes, they're actually in very good overall health. That means they're doing just fine on the forage they're allowed.

The CATTLE, in the meantime, won't live out their lives on this forage. The rancher can't sell a beef finished out on this forage, thus, CAFOs (concentrated animal feeding operations), where those beefs are given... Corn and soy. Which is being grown in what was once called The Great Plains, and those plains, they were great! But, I think I'm repeating myself on that.
Connecting the dots at min 28......incredible epiphanic video , almost done getting my mind blown
Hehheh, biosolids.
 
I oft wonder just how much of the way we do thing in agriculture here in America was actually set up knowing that we were stripping the soils/making them sterile by our older methods was actually designed to keep the need for chemical ferts in demand. Sure paid off for Big AG in the ferts division eh???
 
I oft wonder just how much of the way we do thing in agriculture here in America was actually set up knowing that we were stripping the soils/making them sterile by our older methods was actually designed to keep the need for chemical ferts in demand. Sure paid off for Big AG in the ferts division eh???
Did you watch the soil carbon cowboys clip I posted on the last page.I think. Worth a watch
 
Did you watch the soil carbon cowboys clip I posted on the last page.I think. Worth a watch
Heading there right now!!! lots of info to sift thru. Thanks for all of your work providing this to us famrers at the Farm.
 
What do you guys think about cover crops and blumats?? Is it possible? Looking for the perfect plant to use in conjunction with the blumats. Low growing and moisture loving. Here's some pics in case you don't know WTF I'm talking about.
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What do you guys think about cover crops and blumats?? Is it possible? Looking for the perfect plant to use in conjunction with the blumats. Low growing and moisture loving. Here's some pics in case you don't know WTF I'm talking about. View attachment 461103 View attachment 461104 View attachment 461105 View attachment 461103

If I'm getting my head wrapped around what your thinking is to use bluemats and seed them with some cover crop. That is what your saying correct?

In my mind that would be a great idea. Would have to modify watering schedules as the evap rate with the mats or cover crops would slow it down and the soil would stay moist longer and am thinking it would extend the time between watering.
 
As a caveat, I generally do not fit in to cannabis "organics" groups... whether the cult-like groups of single mind or otherwise, but I'll try in this seemingly smaller setting. I do not like the word "organics". I feel too much confusion surrounds exactly what that entails.... I use a natural system. USDA standards are not strict enough for my liking, so I go by ISOFAR and Oregon Tilth rules, including the rule that after the initial soil nutrient cycling, no cal or mag may be added without a soil test that shows a specific deficiency. I decompose items to build soil, do not believe in using the bone or blood of McDonalds cows, nor any guanos, I employ predatory insects, beetles and mites and work to facilitate established populations to deter any pests that may find their way in... the real estate is already full... I do not believe "organics" should come from bottles out of a hydro store with garbage pail kid stickers on the front. I use fermented plant extracts, and I make sprouted seed or botanical aerated teas at times, but for the most part, it's water only with some whimsical topdressing. My system revolves around integrated pest management.

Hear UC Davis IPM scientist Pete Goodell talk about the scientific basis for IPM. (7 min)

Elaine Ingham... where do I begin... I dislike her bogus science... some of her most prominent claims have been dis-proven.... and she's shown blatant refusal to accept that she's wrong in those claims. I think she should officially have her Ph.D. taken away for spreading misinformation. They did kick her out of Oregon State.... so she went and got her Ph.D. from the CO State School of Forestry.... Her writings prove conclusively that she has never worked in a commercial nursery operation although she may have wandered around Farmer Brown's 10 acres somewhere.
And then I heard her talking about using leftover munitions from World War Two and putting them into farmers’ fields to kill weeds.... (around 9:15 or so) I lol'd quite hard that day. You simply wont often catch Ingham cite peer-reviewed evidence.
You want real deal compost tea information, check out microbeorganics.com... Tim Wilson is a friend and one of the most educated men on the planet in this area... he also happens to hold the only registered patent on the vortex microbial extrapolator, or "vortex compost tea brewer"
And the fact is, if soil has low organic matter and is low in minerals, microbes aren't a magic bullet. There has to be something for them to mineralize or the soil solution would be insufficient for (optimal) plant growth because microbial predation and nitrogen fixation would be the only sources of minerals for the roots to take up, and with low organic matter the soil flora and fauna will likely be less active and diverse.... she's just wrong and wont accept it.

Some companion plants that double as cover crops... I use both browns and greens... mostly Clovers of all kinds as they fix nitrogen from the air into the soil, as well as Marigolds and Chia because its small purple flowers provide pollen for food for some of my predators in the absence of pest prey items. I've attached a pdf on cover crops and their properties.

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Biochar... the char needs to be at the roots of the plant, and if the char is not fully nutrient charged, it is likely to beat the plant roots to nutrients and stall things a bit. otherwise, good stuff.

Sea
 

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As a caveat, I generally do not fit in to cannabis "organics" groups... whether the cult-like groups of single mind or otherwise, but I'll try in this seemingly smaller setting. I do not like the word "organics". I feel too much confusion surrounds exactly what that entails.... I use a natural system. USDA standards are not strict enough for my liking, so I go by ISOFAR and Oregon Tilth rules, including the rule that after the initial soil nutrient cycling, no cal or mag may be added without a soil test that shows a specific deficiency. I decompose items to build soil, do not believe in using the bone or blood of McDonalds cows, nor any guanos, I employ predatory insects, beetles and mites and work to facilitate established populations to deter any pests that may find their way in... the real estate is already full... I do not believe "organics" should come from bottles out of a hydro store with garbage pail kid stickers on the front. I use fermented plant extracts, and I make sprouted seed or botanical aerated teas at times, but for the most part, it's water only with some whimsical topdressing. My system revolves around integrated pest management.

Hear UC Davis IPM scientist Pete Goodell talk about the scientific basis for IPM. (7 min)

Elaine Ingham... where do I begin... I dislike her bogus science... some of her most prominent claims have been dis-proven.... and she's shown blatant refusal to accept that she's wrong in those claims. I think she should officially have her Ph.D. taken away for spreading misinformation. They did kick her out of Oregon State.... so she went and got her Ph.D. from the CO State School of Forestry.... Her writings prove conclusively that she has never worked in a commercial nursery operation although she may have wandered around Farmer Brown's 10 acres somewhere.
And then I heard her talking about using leftover munitions from World War Two and putting them into farmers’ fields to kill weeds.... (around 9:15 or so) I lol'd quite hard that day. You simply wont often catch Ingham cite peer-reviewed evidence.
You want real deal compost tea information, check out microbeorganics.com... Tim Wilson is a friend and one of the most educated men on the planet in this area... he also happens to hold the only registered patent on the vortex microbial extrapolator, or "vortex compost tea brewer"
And the fact is, if soil has low organic matter and is low in minerals, microbes aren't a magic bullet. There has to be something for them to mineralize or the soil solution would be insufficient for (optimal) plant growth because microbial predation and nitrogen fixation would be the only sources of minerals for the roots to take up, and with low organic matter the soil flora and fauna will likely be less active and diverse.... she's just wrong and wont accept it.

Some companion plants that double as cover crops... I use both browns and greens... mostly Clovers of all kinds as they fix nitrogen from the air into the soil, as well as Marigolds and Chia because its small purple flowers provide pollen for food for some of my predators in the absence of pest prey items. I've attached a pdf on cover crops and their properties.

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View attachment 461253

Biochar... the char needs to be at the roots of the plant, and if the char is not fully nutrient charged, it is likely to beat the plant roots to nutrients and stall things a bit. otherwise, good stuff.

Sea
Wow wow wow! excellent!
 
If I'm getting my head wrapped around what your thinking is to use bluemats and seed them with some cover crop. That is what your saying correct?

In my mind that would be a great idea. Would have to modify watering schedules as the evap rate with the mats or cover crops would slow it down and the soil would stay moist longer and am thinking it would extend the time between watering.
Blumats monitor moisture levels and keep it as moist as you set it. I worry most about the cover crop growing into the upper portion and disrupting its function.
 
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