Please Help Me Id These Bugs In My Soil (pics)

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Alright so Ive been dealing with these suckers for a while. Prolly about 6 or 7 months. Nothing seems to work on them. These bugs like to hang out on top. My girls don't look to sad but I do have some deficiencys that I'm wondering if relate to these bugs. So far I've tried azamax, sns(the clove oil one), h202, neem oil, captain jack, and gognats, putting sand on the top layer, started using caps beneficials in my teas about 4 weeks ago, shop vacing them out. It's honestly been a while since I have even tried getting rid of them. Every time I try they just look ten times more sad then they need to be it seems like. My yields seem to be fine but I know they would be better if I got these deficiencies taken care of. Anyhow, help identifying these fuckers would be cool. There seems to be two different species and I can't relate any of them to anything Ive found on here. They don't have the tail pipes so I don't think they are aphids, I BELIEVE they have 6 legs with two antennas. Orangish translucent bodies. The other ones kinda look like thrips maybe? I'm Trying to get a good pic with my phone thro a loupe but I am gonna order a microscope to get better pics.
 
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Ahh, any brown spots on the leaves? Any Animals in the house?
 
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Canalchemist said:
Ahh, any brown spots on the leaves? Any Animals in the house?
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Well some of my plants look pretty good a problem free. Others look to have some deficiencys. My one LSD looks to have some spots on it that look like rust. Some other plants have some what looks to be ca-. Yes I do have dogs and cats. None of which go in the basement or in the room. Yet I know it's still a possibility an animal is the cause, I think i got them from a bag of soil. I noticed that 7 of my 8 pots have them pretty bad, yet the last one is in promix unlike the other 7 which are in sunshine #4 doesn't have them nearly as bad if at all.
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Hynoaspis Miles bug. A predatory soil bug that eats fungus gnat larvae. He's a good guy. Best of luck.
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Thanks @ShroomKing. Are you talking about the red translucent bug or the other bug? I did have a gnat population so this makes sense. Thanks guys much appreciated
 
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Tylrr420 said:
Well some of my plants look pretty good a problem free. Others look to have some deficiencys. My one LSD looks to have some spots on it that look like rust. Some other plants have some what looks to be ca-. Yes I do have dogs and cats. None of which go in the basement or in the room. Yet I know it's still a possibility an animal is the cause, I think i got them from a bag of soil. I noticed that 7 of my 8 pots have them pretty bad, yet the last one is in promix unlike the other 7 which are in sunshine #4 doesn't have them nearly as bad if at all.
Thanks @ShroomKing. Are you talking about the red translucent bug or the other bug? I did have a gnat population so this makes sense. Thanks guys much appreciated
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The reddish one. The other bug idk?
 
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The brown colored bug, from what I can see, only has six legs. Meaning its not a mite, because they have eight legs. Six legs and that shape could be root aphids, but I don't see tailpipes. The second picture I really can't tell but looks maybe like a springtail possibly. Its really hard to tell from the pics to positively identify. Phantom deficiencies are usually indicative of root aphids from my experience. Not real familiar with thrips but I think they attack leaves.
 
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www.hypoaspis.com.au I found this for some info on the hypoaspis mite. It appears that at early stages they have six legs and not eight. They develop eight legs later in their life cycle. Good call shroom and Tnelz on the mite. Hard to tell in those pics. Wasn't trying to mislead anyone but when he said six legs, deficiencies, then I saw only six legs I was thinkin aphids. After rereading the post the deficiencies could be due to the different media used. Need better pics on the other bug and more info on environment, ph, etc...Then I'm sure all the farmers on here can figure out the issues you may be having. Also some pics of the plants.
 
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Thanks a lot for the help guys. Here is some pics of the plants and some close ups of the leaves. I'm getting a new microscope in the mail this week so I will have some better pictures of both bugs ASAP. Lights on temp has been 84. Co2 at 1000 ppm humidity 60. Ph 6.3. The plants that have the worst deficiencies are in the sunshine #4 pots. The one plant that I have in promix is doing much better than the rest. I am running heavy 16 nutrients on heavy with added cal mag.
 
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Looks like I need to take some pics on a better camera than my phone when I get home.
 
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Tylrr420 said:
Thanks a lot for the help guys. Here is some pics of the plants and some close ups of the leaves. I'm getting a new microscope in the mail this week so I will have some better pictures of both bugs ASAP. Lights on temp has been 84. Co2 at 1000 ppm humidity 60. Ph 6.3. The plants that have the worst deficiencies are in the sunshine #4 pots. The one plant that I have in promix is doing much better than the rest. I am running heavy 16 nutrients on heavy with added cal mag.
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Reduce the Cal-Mag, get a Ca-only product, start using that as a foliar. They're pretty far along now, so you're just stopping progression. But, that looks like a fairly strong Ca- to my eyes.
 
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Thanks sea. I just started using heavy 16 with there foilar. This is my second crop now. Supposably there lineup has a lot of cal in it but I'm not thinking so since I've been adding 5 ml per gallon of cal mag ON TOP of there "heavy" recipe. I do the heavy foilar in mixed with a 50/50 tea once a week. Do u think perhaps I should start using a more ca enriched product inbetween my current foilar?
 
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And do u have any good recommendations for a good ca only product
 
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Tylrr420 said:
Thanks sea. I just started using heavy 16 with there foilar. This is my second crop now. Supposably there lineup has a lot of cal in it but I'm not thinking so since I've been adding 5 ml per gallon of cal mag ON TOP of there "heavy" recipe. I do the heavy foilar in mixed with a 50/50 tea once a week. Do u think perhaps I should start using a more ca enriched product inbetween my current foilar?
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I think you should be using a Ca-only product if you wish to use it in conjunction with a Cal-Mag product. Especially in coir, I have found all commonly sold products to be low in their ratio of Ca:Mg.

My favorite Ca-only feed is BioLink 6% Ca. It's organic, certified & everything, and smells of molasses, and it's 6% where many other products are half that, like Calplex. Another good one is Calcium-25, but be careful using it!
 
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I agree with @Coir ...second pic looks like a springtail. First pic is a mite, H. Miles or similar like everyone has said.

Your critters are friendlies, from what you've shown us. No need to kill. In fact, you won't eradicate them no matter how hard you try - you'll hurt the plants before you do anything to the populations of H. Miles (or similar) or springtails.

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www.hypoaspis.com.au I found this for some info on the hypoaspis mite. It appears that at early stages they have six legs and not eight. They develop eight legs later in their life cycle. Good call shroom and Tnelz on the mite. Hard to tell in those pics. Wasn't trying to mislead anyone but when he said six legs, deficiencies, then I saw only six legs I was thinkin aphids. After rereading the post the deficiencies could be due to the different media used. Need better pics on the other bug and more info on environment, ph, etc...Then I'm sure all the farmers on here can figure out the issues you may be having. Also some pics of the plants.
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The critter you're seeing in the first pic is an adult mite, with 8 legs. The front two appendages you're mistaking for antennae are actually legs...

Just wanted to clarify that...
 
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Thanks @Myco. Yeah like I said I've had them for about 6 or 7 months. I was trying to kill them 2 crops back and the plants didn't like it to much I've been doing a lot better ever since I stopped trying to kill them. I declared them as a non threat after I seen the plants turn around after the treatment stopped. I figured I'd use my available resources to double check if they were a threat. Turns out I tried to over correct what was a calcium deficiency and my fucked up leaves are actually too much calcium. Apparently over board calcium look like a deficiencyo_O. The learning curve goes on....
 
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@Tylrr420 -- MANY toxicities look like deficiencies. It can kinda drive you batty!
 
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