First Time Grower - Clear Signs Of Problems!

PH = should be between 5.5-6.0 as mentioned above.

EC = should be between 1.0-1.6 ( i usually never go above 1.3)

Water Temps = should be between 68*-72*F

ive since purchased a heating element that keeps my water at 26degrees C

Colossus said:

ive since purchased a heating element that keeps my water at 26degrees C

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There are some things you absolutely need and there is just unnecessary bs that ppl hype up its just extra money to be spent for nothing as long as your water is not to hot or to cold just water the fing plant some growers talk about r/o water and all this nonsense and it's crap I've grown in and this year first time outdoor grow and never checked ph or water temp non of that stuff last year yea old was 13 ozs 2 plants in plastic pots another thing growers say is bad and never had a problem I think if at the end of the day your soil is done right and your not giving straight out the tap water enough light everything will be fine this plant has grown for thousands of years with no extra nonsense you think there was cavemen saying let me check the ec or water temp on my plant smh just let good ol mother nature do its thing and if your in the house with it make that room like outside as much as possible you will be good

Thats a very good point, and something i often tell the person helping me on my current first grow - Why do i need all these extra nutrients although granted, i do have Manganese issues at the moment which has been caused by high pH - So whilst i do agree with your points and feel they are valid than most, i do see what contrary

RO units are a must have when your natural tap water's PPM/EC is sky high!

For Instance, my natural tap has an EC of .7

There's NO way in hell I can run a hydro set up and not expect bad shit to happen all through out the grow.

At an EC of .7 that means I can only feed my plants .5 of nutrients before maxing out and frying tips.

If I can only feed my plants .5 EC of nutes, then they are going to become deficient in some areas because i'm not going to be able to provide for them all the major and micro elements that they need in order to thrive…...and remember, I won't be able to "add" anything else to keep them from getting deficient because I have already maxed out.

When starting at O.O EC, I can add the maximum amount of nutrients every watering and never have to worry about deficiencies or PH going out of range.

So are RO units nonsense or crap? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!

Remember, anyone can just throw a plant in the ground and water it and get something from it.

But in order to really make the plant shine, you must first dial in your set up with proper water, light, temps, and air movement.

Here's an example ….. all lush green, no purpling stems, fried tips, or deficiencies of any kind.

Also, notice the clones are still green even after they just rooted.

Now, trust me, I could not get this type of growth without my RO unit.

Shit would be soooooooo fucked without it!

Saguaro said:

Here's an example ….. all lush green, no purpling stems, fried tips, or deficiencies of any kind.

Also, notice the clones are still green even after they just rooted.

Now, trust me, I could not get this type of growth without my RO unit.

Shit would be soooooooo fucked without it!



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This is example of no r/o water all organic is the way to go for your first grow just male sure you male a great soil and all you do is add water when flower time comes and sum high p guano top dressing and ur fine

Apples & Oranges man…… Outdoors Organics & Indoor Hydro are two completely different animals.

Two Entirely Different species in fact!

The OP is growing in hydroton clay pellets indoors….. not outdoors!

Colossus said:

Thats a very good point, and something i often tell the person helping me on my current first grow - Why do i need all these extra nutrients although granted, i do have Manganese issues at the moment which has been caused by high pH - So whilst i do agree with your points and feel they are valid than most, i do see what contrary

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start reading on on organic growing I found it to be easier to deal with for a beginner I've only had 2 grows before and they where indoor and low scale but where successful with not type of nutes burns or deficiencies just small bug problem that was fixed with sticky traps and sum neem oil good luck bro

Saguaro said:

Apples & Oranges man…… Outdoors Organics & Indoor Hydro are two completely different animals.

Two Entirely Different species in fact!

The OP is growing in hydration indoors….. not outdoors!

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Your right bro didn't realize he was growing hydroponically

Hydro is more of a maintenance than outdoor for sure.. Ive flushed my system and have made sure the pH is at 5.8 before watering - Still no signs of shacking off this Manganese issues which had turned into Iron i managed to shake the Iron off - Manganese tho still being locked out somehow.... Im ready to just turn them now and just call this grow a half dud!

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Colossus said:

Hydro is more of a maintenance than outdoor for sure.. !

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Says who????

It's only as difficult as YOU yourself make it my friend.

Seriously…. I have been growing with the same set up for years now …...and I am only in the garden once a day for no longer then 5 minutes at a time.

Literally, 5 minutes a day and then once a week I prune and do a little maintenance which usually only takes me 30 minutes.

So 60 minutes of work a week produces about 2 lbs per table every 3 months. I've got 2 tables so I produce about 4 lbs every 3 months.

Soon i'll be adding 2 more lights so I can double what i'm making now.

Youve got your setup obviously all setup like a Champion..... Im on my first grow in the middle of an Australian winter bro - pH levels are all over the place - Cold water destroying the roots, i need to spend a little bit more time and give some more love to make sure our water system doesnt fuck me sideways!!! :)

When you got the setup down packed then for sure id expect to be spending your time in my room :) But its about us First timers getting that setup correct and could take us 1-2-3-even 4 grows before really nailing it!

How many lights and what size for how many plants do you currently have?

I run 2x 1kw lights….. 9 plants per light.

So 18 plants total.

I veg for 3 weeks……flower for 9 weeks.

this produces near 4 lbs every harvest.

R u serious bro? i got 1 1000w for 3 plants and im being told ill get under 1 pound. :( lol

I am absolutely serious……

I was growing out the same 3 plants for years and they were all very decent yielders. In that time, I was able to dial them in as well as dial in my grow set up and found out how to maximize my space and pump out killer meds …..with a lot of weight.

Unfortunately, my mothers that I had for years contracted a systemic virus from some clones that I received from a friend out of state. His clones were sick and didn't know it until it was too late.

So i culled them all and started over from scratch with some seeds that I recently received from Loran….a member here.

So my current run is a seed run with 18 different crosses that I selected from 40 seeds that i germinated of his.

from those 18….I found 3 definite keepers that i will be keeping in circulation for the next few years. They are THAT good :)

They are all very decent yielders with superb bud to leaf ratio with insane trichome production and great aroma.

I know with these 3 new mothers I will be able to easily continue to pump out 2 lbs per light every harvest….especially if I mono-crop

Man thats amazing, ive got White Russian in at the moment, i heard that was a decent yielder as well.. I will try some other strains for sure tho, thats a def must!

So genetically if there is a problem with the mother of the clones they will be passed down? So say for example my mates had a deficiency that would automatically be passed to the clones?

Yes, if the mother is deficient….then the clone will be deficient….BUTTTT, a deficiency can easily be fixed and just means that the plant is deficient, lacking, or in need of something or other. …and again, this can easily be fixed by supplying the plant with whatever it is deficient of.

It's just like when we become vitamin D deficient from lack of sun.

But a Virus on the other hand, cannot be remedied or fixed…..once it has it, thats it. like AIDS.

Soooooooooo, idealy, you want your moms to be perfect health when you take clones so that they too will be of perfect health so that they focus on rooting instead of being stressed from being deficient.

Fair call... They did root ok, i guess this is just beginners luck and hopefully ive educated myself better on how to prevent it rather than how to look for it in the future ;)

Also, when flushing your plants (hydro clay) Am i looking to flush the system before a feed or is ok to do it a couple hours after? I want to flush them today but they just had their feed 2 hours ago. I dont want to wait till the next one coz thats late at night