Hydroponic Research User Thread

Looks like the Push is out. 30$ plus shipping for a 250ml bottle which will only give u 5 sprays when its rec dose is 50ml. they have the 1 liter bottle as well which is a whopping 96$. damn shame these guys did exactly like the new guys did. this was a 1 part but as we all know that when u are small time company coming up they do have much better deals. now this is the 3rd additive to add to this line. im dont think push would even compare to Osa28 & vitazyme which both can be had at very low dilution rates of 0.5ml for osa/28 and 2.5 ml of vitazyme. if u have not tried vitazyme make sure u go to ebay and try it. is cheap and very effective. im still gonna get the 250ml bottle though and see if it will comapre to the ones i mention above.

Kygiacomo said:

Looks like the Push is out. 30$ plus shipping for a 250ml bottle which will only give u 5 sprays when its rec dose is 50ml. they have the 1 liter bottle as well which is a whopping 96$. damn shame these guys did exactly like the new guys did. this was a 1 part but as we all know that when u are small time company coming up they do have much better deals. now this is the 3rd additive to add to this line. im dont think push would even compare to Osa28 & vitazyme which both can be had at very low dilution rates of 0.5ml for osa/28 and 2.5 ml of vitazyme. if u have not tried vitazyme make sure u go to ebay and try it. is cheap and very effective. im still gonna get the 250ml bottle though and see if it will comapre to the ones i mention above.

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PUSH is a foliar product. It's perhaps ONE of the best foliar products I have ever used. I use it in rotation with Heavy 16's foliar product. Sundays my ladies get H16 and Thursdays they get PUSH.

Maybe I got a less concentrated trial one, but mine says 25ml per liter, and when I foliar a 4 light room with 36 plants, I use anywhere from 500 ml to a liter depending on how big the plants are. Compared to some other products I'd say the usage rate isn't that bad. H16 is 40ml per liter.

Where are you seeing it for sale? I just checked the website and I don't see it on there.

CelticEBE said:

PUSH is a foliar product. It's perhaps ONE of the best foliar products I have ever used. I use it in rotation with Heavy 16's foliar product. Sundays my ladies get H16 and Thursdays they get PUSH.

Maybe I got a less concentrated trial one, but mine says 25ml per liter, and when I foliar a 4 light room with 36 plants, I use anywhere from 500 ml to a liter depending on how big the plants are. Compared to some other products I'd say the usage rate isn't that bad. H16 is 40ml per liter.

Where are you seeing it for sale? I just checked the website and I don't see it on there.

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its for slae right now on their website. idk the dilituon rates i was just going by what u guys was posting that saying it was 50ml. im gonnna get the 250ml and use it on my best plants this year but its a damn highg dilution rate is kinda turning me off. i love their dirty +size and +life

Kygiacomo said:

its for slae right now on their website. idk the dilituon rates i was just going by what u guys was posting that saying it was 50ml. im gonnna get the 250ml and use it on my best plants this year but its a damn highg dilution rate is kinda turning me off. i love their dirty +size and +life

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Can you post a link to where it is for sale....because I just checked the site again and don't see it anywhere.

I suppose if you are outdoor.....and growing monster plants and going through a gallon a week it would seem like a hard pill to swallow.

CelticEBE said:

Can you post a link to where it is for sale....because I just checked the site again and don't see it anywhere.

I suppose if you are outdoor.....and growing monster plants and going through a gallon a week it would seem like a hard pill to swallow.

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here u go bro http://www.hydroponic-research.com/product-category/push-foliar/

CelticEBE said:

Can you post a link to where it is for sale....because I just checked the site again and don't see it anywhere.

I suppose if you are outdoor.....and growing monster plants and going through a gallon a week it would seem like a hard pill to swallow.

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i just think 50ml per is alot to use bc the 250ml bottle will only last 5 sprays. the 1 liter is 96$ and might last a bit longer i suppose but im just gonna get the 250 to test out. then if i like what i see i will get the 1 liter

Kygiacomo said:

i just think 50ml per is alot to use bc the 250ml bottle will only last 5 sprays. the 1 liter is 96$ and might last a bit longer i suppose but im just gonna get the 250 to test out. then if i like what i see i will get the 1 liter

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Thanks, I was looking in the Our Products and not the SHOP category.

Yeah, I guess if you are outdoors and using that much it would seem like a hard pill to swallow. I would make up smaller batches and just use it will the plants were developing if I were in that kind of situation.

I know it sounds like I am hyping the product, but it really is the best foliar I have used IMHO.

Kygiacomo said:

Looks like the Push is out. 30$ plus shipping for a 250ml bottle which will only give u 5 sprays when its rec dose is 50ml. they have the 1 liter bottle as well which is a whopping 96$. damn shame these guys did exactly like the new guys did. this was a 1 part but as we all know that when u are small time company coming up they do have much better deals. now this is the 3rd additive to add to this line. im dont think push would even compare to Osa28 & vitazyme which both can be had at very low dilution rates of 0.5ml for osa/28 and 2.5 ml of vitazyme. if u have not tried vitazyme make sure u go to ebay and try it. is cheap and very effective. im still gonna get the 250ml bottle though and see if it will comapre to the ones i mention above.

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It's still a one part nutrient, just because they have add-ons doesn't make it anything else. A steak is still a steak, regardless if there's a Caesar salad or potatoes and gravy. It's hard to make a dollar selling nutrients with an honest markup, especially when hydro stores won't carry the products because it hurts their sales so much. The add-one from HR are definitely at more of a markup but it's justified by paying .15 cents a gallon for food vs .70-1.00...using the amendments it shouldnt push your cost per lb farther than another 2-3 bucks.

CelticEBE said:

Thanks, I was looking in the Our Products and not the SHOP category.

Yeah, I guess if you are outdoors and using that much it would seem like a hard pill to swallow. I would make up smaller batches and just use it will the plants were developing if I were in that kind of situation.

I know it sounds like I am hyping the product, but it really is the best foliar I have used IMHO.

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nah i trust u bro. u gave me good advice last year and i did a few things exactly like u told me and shit started rocking. i can always tell when a shill or someone with connections to a company hype things and that isnt the vibe i get from u.

We Solidarity said:

It's still a one part nutrient, just because they have add-ons doesn't make it anything else. A steak is still a steak, regardless if there's a Caesar salad or potatoes and gravy. It's hard to make a dollar selling nutrients with an honest markup, especially when hydro stores won't carry the products because it hurts their sales so much. The add-one from HR are definitely at more of a markup but it's justified by paying .15 cents a gallon for food vs .70-1.00...using the amendments it shouldnt push your cost per lb farther than another 2-3 bucks.

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If I recall, didn't you do some runs with just V+B and no bloom booster? How did that stack up against using V+B with SIZE?

CelticEBE said:

If I recall, didn't you do some runs with just V+B and no bloom booster? How did that stack up against using V+B with SIZE?

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The v+b by itself was phenomenal, with the +size yields are up on average (didn't pull more weight every time) and plants were way more stinky. It varied strain to strain things that stretch a lot seemed to like straight veg bloom and the squatty bushes did way better with +size.

Nice info all. Going to grab some PUSH. Already run their HD, +size and +life. They would not reply to emails about PUSH so I kinda forgot about it. They usually are prompt to reply but three emails and no response seemed odd.

Rootbound said:

Nice info all. Going to grab some PUSH. Already run their HD, +size and +life. They would not reply to emails about PUSH so I kinda forgot about it. They usually are prompt to reply but three emails and no response seemed odd.

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When was this?

Smokey503ski said:

When was this?

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About 2 months ago.

Hey guys. Couple thoughts. Yeah they have a small website mistake where they list the foliar in the wrong place. Hope you find it, Celtic. I had the same problem at first.

I'm only following directions closely (1tsp/gal, in veg) so far.

@Rootbound - when I call, I get great info and immediate help.

I have used a lot of products including Protekt, SLF100, Terpinator, etc etc.
The guy on the phone asked me politely to give it a chance using just the base product before adding all kinds of stuff. I assured him I would.

I am VERY happy so far.

I put 1tsp/gal HD or Dirty (I try to alternate) and 1tsp/10gal of +Life in the rez, then flume it. Basically constant circulation pump mixing and aerating.

PH is stable, slowly creeps up. I add GH pH down (only because I have jugs around and low ppm) and a cakewalk.

I had some powdery mildew, did a foliar with silica, and done. Next time will add yucca as surfactant.

They've been sitting in the dark for the last 72hrs to kick start the hormones for flower. The leaves are praying. The new growth is totally explosive on all plants.

Only Nectar for the Gods is better in my experience, but its an expensive pain in the ass that uses liquid animals. Not my style.

I absolutely love this company, their philosophy, their products, their customer service. I'm thrilled to have found them and am probably never changing lines. I've only used them for 3 weeks and I'm quite saftisfied so far.

I had a pH problem before I started their line but v+b has corrected it. I see a tiny bit of spotting on a few leaves on a few plants but overall they'be rebounded quite robustly. Pics do them no justice.

Thanks to @Natural and @We Solidarity for the idea!!

I'm watering about 15 gallons a day right now, and so I have to refill my 55 gallon drum 2x a week. So I broke things down and did the math then weighed out what I would need for each res fill and made up ziplocs with HD, Size and Life.

So stupid simple.......the only other things I am adding are OSA28, a home made MOAB, and Heavy 16's Finish.

i have a question on your hydroponic system.