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Limonene

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mancdank said:
Better plant structure thicker stems and general plant health I needed a load of coco years ago but the shop didn't have enough so when I potted up I did it in sections and the all mix plants were defo far superior than the coco but the finish in coco always seems to be far better
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But soil is real slow isn't it compared to coco. I've got no experience off soil but I guess it's pretty sluggish compared to hydroponic mediums otherwise no one would be using hydro. What would be the point.
 
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Limonene said:
But soil is real slow isn't it compared to coco. I've got no experience off soil but I guess it's pretty sluggish compared to hydroponic mediums otherwise no one would be using hydro. What would be the point.
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Not really at the start imo them baby's love all that shit that the soil has in it. I ain't no scientist and I won't pretend to be 1. All I can tell u is what I seen all the 1s in coco In comparison looked small skinny and weak and all the 1s in soil were real thick stocky little cunts u should try it wit a couple of equally rooted and structured clones in small half ltr pots just to see for your self. I've done it recently too with the ad beans some were potted in soil some in coco and it's not a coincidence the 1s in soil ate far better wait till the morning I will get u a few pics. But like I said there's no competition in finish
 
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mancdank said:
Not really at the start imo them baby's love all that shit that the soil has in it. I ain't no scientist and I won't pretend to be 1. All I can tell u is what I seen all the 1s in coco In comparison looked small skinny and weak and all the 1s in soil were real thick stocky little cunts u should try it wit a couple of equally rooted and structured clones in small half ltr pots just to see for your self. I've done it recently too with the ad beans some were potted in soil some in coco and it's not a coincidence the 1s in soil ate far better wait till the morning I will get u a few pics. But like I said there's no competition in finish
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i mix my coco/perlite up a week in advance with bennies and food and let it steep to create a nice welcoming environment for the cuts and it really makes a difference. I also use very little nitrogen for the first week or so and that seems to help coax out the roots quick time. I reckon @Ecompost could chime in with a bit of the science behind that manoeuvre. I don't see any weak or skinny plants doing that method.
 
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Limonene said:
i mix my coco/perlite up a week in advance with bennies and food and let it steep to create a nice welcoming environment for the cuts and it really makes a difference. I also use very little nitrogen for the first week or so and that seems to help coax out the roots quick time. I reckon @Ecompost could chime in with a bit of the science behind that manoeuvre. I don't see any weak or skinny plants doing that method.
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That would probably work with all them goodies in there back in the day though when I had that big room it was the canna coco pro + it was supposed to already loaded but this recent 1 it was just because I run out of soil for the beans and had to just use what was there I didn't put any amendments with the coco just as it came. I was talking to some guy on 1 of these threads with coco in his name and he seemed quite clued up with so I was asking him about mixing it because I've been seeing all this 60/40 coco pebble mix and I was asking him about perlite and vermiculite and he said that he uses just coco but 3 different grades of it and layers it in his tub and that's been getting him his best results what truth is there if any I really don't know but kinda makes sense as the root zone is divided up into the relevant parts to do the different jobs they do
 
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mancdank said:
That would probably work with all them goodies in there back in the day though when I had that big room it was the canna coco pro + it was supposed to already loaded but this recent 1 it was just because I run out of soil for the beans and had to just use what was there I didn't put any amendments with the coco just as it came. I was talking to some guy on 1 of these threads with coco in his name and he seemed quite clued up with so I was asking him about mixing it because I've been seeing all this 60/40 coco pebble mix and I was asking him about perlite and vermiculite and he said that he uses just coco but 3 different grades of it and layers it in his tub and that's been getting him his best results what truth is there if any I really don't know but kinda makes sense as the root zone is divided up into the relevant parts to do the different jobs they do
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i think perlite is essential for me just because of my watering frequency, if i tried to water 4 or 5 times a day with just coco i don't think the plants would respond that well, i need good drainage and less retention. But for less waterings what that guy is saying sounds interesting. I buy the expandable coco bricks that come with no amendments, i prefer to put it in myself and they are really discreet to move in to places.
 
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Limonene said:
i think perlite is essential for me just because of my watering frequency, if i tried to water 4 or 5 times a day with just coco i don't think the plants would respond that well, i need good drainage and less retention. But for less waterings what that guy is saying sounds interesting. I buy the expandable coco bricks that come with no amendments, i prefer to put it in myself and they are really discreet to move in to places.
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Aye theyr cool.u can pick up ones for a pound or something for 2 in a shop in my town.i just add a wee bit o it to my soil wen rooting cuts from the tk or seedlings.
 
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Limonene said:
i think perlite is essential for me just because of my watering frequency, if i tried to water 4 or 5 times a day with just coco i don't think the plants would respond that well, i need good drainage and less retention. But for less waterings what that guy is saying sounds interesting. I buy the expandable coco bricks that come with no amendments, i prefer to put it in myself and they are really discreet to move in to places.
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The blocks always seem too wet though when they are soaked but I must admit I like the stealth factor and I guess some perlite will help that too. Have u ever tried vermiculite in there too I used to add it with perlite to the soil blocks I used to get from b&q they was about £3 for 4 blocks or the equivalent to 40 ltr
 
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Welshwizzard said:
Floats like a mofo though doesnt it so a screen is essential

I was told a while back that Perlite naturally has a higher PH and raises your coco a fair bit.

So I PH it every time now. Force of habit I guess
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Yep, everytime i water that crap is floating and sticking to the pot walls.

Any idea what's the pH on the unwashed perlite?
 
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Toaster79 said:
Yep, everytime i water that crap is floating and sticking to the pot walls.

Any idea what's the pH on the unwashed perlite?
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Google...
Vermiculite is a clay mineral. It has been treated at high temperatures and, similar to perlite, is lightweight, chemically inert, and sterile. Unlike perlite, it has a large CEC, but like perlite, its pH is 7-7.5. Both perlite and vermiculite increase substrate porosity.
 
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Welshwizzard said:
Floats like a mofo though doesnt it so a screen is essential

I was told a while back that Perlite naturally has a higher PH and raises your coco a fair bit.

So I PH it every time now. Force of habit I guess
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Have u ever seen if there us any difference of ph in the water after u washed in the drum
 
Toaster79

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As I understand, perlite is pH neutral. So what ever goes in comes out at the same pH. Don't know about vermiculite although I use both in my soil.
 
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mancdank said:
Have u ever seen if there us any difference of ph in the water after u washed in the drum
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My water is PH 7.6 anyway, so Im not happy putting that in my pots around my roots if I'm getting them on new shoes. Up at the milk farm my mate washes his coco and perlite together and ph's the lot, he does it on quite a bit bigger scale than I so I rather he does it to be honest
 
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Welshwizzard said:
Google...
Vermiculite is a clay mineral. It has been treated at high temperatures and, similar to perlite, is lightweight, chemically inert, and sterile. Unlike perlite, it has a large CEC, but like perlite, its pH is 7-7.5. Both perlite and vermiculite increase substrate porosity.
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Apparently vermiculite is good for oxygen in the root zone I guess in coco it already has lots
 
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Toaster79 said:
As I understand, perlite is pH neutral. So what ever goes in comes out at the same pH. Don't know about vermiculite although I use both in my soil.
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My point is I guess, that its going in at a higher ph, so it will raise the ph around it? It's one of those things, I do it, and once I do it and it works, I'll stick to it
 
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