Root Rot... solutions

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Hi Farmersss:bongsmi: I am helping a friend with some Rootrot problems, he has an ebb/flow system, very tight white square containers with croutons and grodan cube with plastic still around it!!.. :evilgrin0040: and started using organics with the rez in the warmth of that grow room, it was the Primordial Ooze from which life began!! And indeed it did...unfortunatelly, the plants were completley stunted, yellowed leaves, roots got brown and black and smelled awefull. eventually they died off but the system kept infecting all other plants.. it was badd..we have been trying to sterilize the situation with peroxide 30% to increase oxygenation, also bleaching their trays and wanted to introduce live bacteria, compost tea type things to increase the natural flora which might eat fungus and reclaim the roots:rastadancing..so my question is, do any of you know how to incorporate these bilogical defence systems..Obviously in conjunction with peroxide they should be introduced in a diff and later rez...but has anyone used PUREBLEND (compost tea) from botanicare and the water cleansing CLEAREX...helpppp!!!
i heard that sand filters help, im not sure where to find these or if they indeed work ...any advice would be granddd...thanksss..:very_first_smiley::very_first_smiley:
 
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clearex is just water with simple sugars added, which will just feed the bad guys. i've never used the compost tea i use great white but any similar product with the beneficial bacteria should help. also you might want to look into using an enzyme product that will break down all the dead excess root stuff. getting a res chiller will go a long ways too. keeping it 65-68 degrees discourages the bad bacteria from growing
 
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oh thats right,ehole, i meant to say Aqua Shield not clearex..yes you are very right that temp is a big prob. we found Multizyme and will give it a go tomorrow. were considering using the sugars as a foliar spray so they dont linger in the warm waters etc..yeah, dipping in heavy peroxides now..hope its stopped before the next cycle... thank you..
great website... thanks..dusty..
 
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dr.roots

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Honestly, the only way to prevent and/or cure Root rot is by getting the water temps below 70* F.

Other than that, you can keep putting all the cool stuff made for cleaning the roots and clearing root rot, but it will always come back if your water temps are higher than 70* F.

I don't want to sound like an ass, but its the best advice anyone can give you at this point to completely fix it.

H2O2, Clearex, Hygrozyme, all these products will get rid of the current root rot situation, but will not prevent.

I hope this has helped.

P.S: Cute pupster you got there on your avatar! :party0042:
 
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stardust

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rez temp bellow 70

:bearthanks, one from my many litters..ill tell her...

so...How can the rez temp be maintained bellow 70 when the grow room is nearing 80. That's a tough one, its so crowded in there already...maybe adding Ice? cold water? refrigeration, fans? which bacteria is the cause of this rot dr. roots? or is it primarily a fungus..? thanks so much..:bongsmi:
 
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Is it possible to locate the reservoir in an area outside of the grow?
If not, you can get a chiller to put in the tank, but I think an inline chiller will be more effective
 
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stardust

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perfect. i will tell my boss to look into that chiller...thank you!!!
unfortunatelly they are placed right below the ebb/flow trays...
we didnt have any issues until this one infected plant from elsewhere came and started the fungus party, and yes, the organics made them go wild...
 
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stardust said:
we didnt have any issues until this one infected plant from elsewhere came and started the fungus party, and yes, the organics made them go wild...
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sucks to inherit anothers issues! good luck getting them on track stardust
 
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hey stardust, beautiful little pup. until you have come up with a permanant solution to your heat problems (chiller), a temporary fix is to freeze water inside plastic bottles (any size that will fit) and just set them right into the rez. change them out as required.
 
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thinman said:
hey stardust, beautiful little pup. until you have come up with a permanant solution to your heat problems (chiller), a temporary fix is to freeze water inside plastic bottles (any size that will fit) and just set them right into the rez. change them out as required.
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True, that does work to a degree.... Typically they melt in a few hours and need replacing or the temp climbs again.

If you go with frozen bottles, freeze twice as many as will fit, so you can do a straight swap melted for frozen when needed.
 
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stardust

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root rot/bud rot

sounds cool. and it shouldn't affect the ppm or nutrient concentration where adding just ice would. does anyone know about foliar feeding sweets, so they are not in the rez creating the fungus/guano/bacterial frenzy:evilgrin0040:....and a question regarding bud rot, is it just gray mold and can be cured by persistent "serenade" maintenance or is it a different "fun-guy" ?:character0201:also, does this bud-rot stay alive once the plants are cut down? i know as a fungus is a decomposer and should thrive on dead plant material, given plenty of moisture but does it survive a drying dead/upsidedown plant?:fighting0040:thanks for all the info...

Yeah our blue dreams with their dense buds seem to be so suseptible to all these humidity mold issuesss..:sick0026:
 
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stardust

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root rot pics

All that talk of root rot got me in trouble with my own veg room..aghh..:shake got it there too..my veging girls are pretty old (10week), great genetics (master Kush), and rather tall (3feet already)...They had healthy long white pony tails sticking out their 1 gal buckets with coco croutons and enjoyed 4 minute feedings every 4 hours..are now in aggressive growth cycle of GH and have 11 days to be triggered. actually, maybe i could trigger them in the veg room already?? they have been treated with peroxide H202 dips,:muscle some of it added to my rez and aquashield with natural bacteria. i also sterilized the rez, the pumps, trays everythingggg yesterday...they seem to be ok..and ill keep treating them with peroxide directly..here are some picss..its not slimey or foulscented but it does have that orange tint...also a pic of one of the plants from ontop to see if there are any new growths or if the rot had stunted it..?? any thoughtssss??:friday:
 
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Jalisco Kid

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Clean your system with a greenhouse disinfectant like physan 20.It will foam up and get places peroxide can't. Get some benis for your plant. I swear by my benies I had 84-86* water this summer and I never worried,felt bad for my girls.
 
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stardust

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I dip them in 30% peroxide (5ml/gal daily),is that too often?? and added 900ml/60gal aquashield from botanicare with, like you say, benis. I was going to buy enzymes today, but will now for sure get physan20. its not the heat, my room is cool, water 73. Its just that they were vegging for sooo long. 10 weeks total so things started to get messy. I did however disinfect with antibacterial/bleach all the trays and rez. the first high concentration of peroxide went in the last bit of water and it bubbled something discusting!! it should be super clean now. just gotta keep feeding them benis..will the roots turn back to WHITE when they rot is gone? how can i tell they are better? top leaves yellow/light green new growths? thankssss Jali..
 
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White is not that important, mine are always a dingy brown but I use a lot of black gold(fulvic acid) Look at the texture of the roots,does it have that healthy shine. Does it smell like you could eat it.
If you to get hit with rot and have 73* water temps there is a flaw in your sys/work. I am not familiar with those benis you are using. I would stop with the disinfecting and let your microherd grow. Maybe throw in a little MAP,and some aminos,and a little bit of molasses.Keep your ppm's at 2/3 strength until you see them take off again then bump up your nutes.JK
 
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stardust

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that is such a clever way to put it JK. to use our inherent sense of smell in order to determine if its healthy to eat or sick with fungus/necrotic material. Very intuned with the greater collective unconcious...anyway...yesss, they def smell like i could eat them, they smell like alfalfa almost.... they were shiny and most of the long ponytail roots coming out the bottom were white and extremely ciliated. Now they are a bit more dull. probably due to the exesive oxygenation/peroxide dips. they seemed stringy like a so.cal beach girl's, bleach blond hair that could break by just brushing it...(anyway, sorry for the tangental analogy..). they maybe dark then because of the floralisious plus which is dense and dark. Great idea also, regarding the dropping of ppms, if most of the root system is in shock it could def benefit from less salt uptake or more diluted solutions. it is at 1250, ill bring it down to 750 today... they are 2 feet tall, Platinum Master Kushes..should be triggered in 10 days..excited to see how these long veg cycle does on such a regularly short/stalky indica...maybe i could start them on 12/12 cycle under the 600 now for the remaining 10 days...what do you think? thanks..
 
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Jalisco Kid

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I would not want to flip them now and make them go through that hormonal change. I would let them repair themselves first if they do not rebound fast. suerte JK
 
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stardust

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roots were much lighter (white) and shiny today. I added Canazym to their rez which waters them every 4. smell and likely taste, also earthy but not "rotten". will keep them in veg and they should rebound by the 10 days for flowering..
gracias por todo!
 
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