What do you think?

Kepp89 · May 21, 2019

I stressed the devil out of her early in flower. I flipped her 3/25 and just the last 2 weeks I saw a LOT of growth in the buds. Pic attached you’ll see I only have colas on a handful of branches and thus stressed the shit out of her. I want quality but lacked the wherewithal to do it properly. Live n learn.

Been watering only when pot is light. 5-6 days usually.

1-gal 6.8 ph 1.5ml bloom (4-8-7) , 2 times
Every 3rd water is fish fert (5-1-1)

Temps are 70-86 (LED lights) bud sites are 82-84 via laser thermometer.
Humidity has been under 50% 24/7 since flowering began. Trying to avoid any bud rot or mold.
Had/still have lady bugs patrolling the scene

I swear I read somewhere on here that close to the end of the plants life you want to see the leaves yellow the way I’m seeing these ones yellow. Just need to confirm that and maybe fix something if someone knows something is hella wrong.

Thanks!

Kepp89 · May 21, 2019

I won’t reply to anything for about 7 hours. but fear not. Your tips suggestions or comments will not go unnoticed.

Jimster · May 21, 2019

You will often see yellowing leaves during flowering, as the plant pulls nutrients and energy from the leaves as needed. When this happens, the entire leaf will turn light green then yellow, but the entire leaf is affected. From what I can see, although my eyes aren't as good as they used to be, the leaf edges are getting burnt and necrotic, which might be a sign of overdose on the fertilizer. It could also be a sign that the plant is finished as well, since some will do this, although you still have a lot of pistils showing.
Why would you want to stress the shit out of your plant? Plants need food, water, and light to grow. Withholding water can harm them if it happens repeatedly, although I don't know your setup and it might be OK as long as you don't see any wilting. There are a few schools of thought regarding stress, but I always figured something grows best when it has everything it needs... but there are differing ideas. I'm not sure what the problem might be. There isn't much vegetation remaining on the plant to provide energy, but the leaves almost look damaged or burnt and not yellowed like they normally get. I don't defoliate except for a few strategic sacrificial leaves to allow light to reach in deeper, so I don't know if that could be contributing to your problems or not. You mentioned Lady Bugs... do you have them because you have a bug problem or just as a preventative? The leaf damage looks a little like what you see from spider mites, but that is a longshot unless you had prior bug problems.

PlumberSoCal · May 21, 2019

Jimster said:
You will often see yellowing leaves during flowering, as the plant pulls nutrients and energy from the leaves as needed. When this happens, the entire leaf will turn light green then yellow, but the entire leaf is affected. From what I can see, although my eyes aren't as good as they used to be, the leaf edges are getting burnt and necrotic, which might be a sign of overdose on the fertilizer. It could also be a sign that the plant is finished as well, since some will do this, although you still have a lot of pistils showing.
Why would you want to stress the shit out of your plant? Plants need food, water, and light to grow. Withholding water can harm them if it happens repeatedly, although I don't know your setup and it might be OK as long as you don't see any wilting. There are a few schools of thought regarding stress, but I always figured something grows best when it has everything it needs... but there are differing ideas. I'm not sure what the problem might be. There isn't much vegetation remaining on the plant to provide energy, but the leaves almost look damaged or burnt and not yellowed like they normally get. I don't defoliate except for a few strategic sacrificial leaves to allow light to reach in deeper, so I don't know if that could be contributing to your problems or not. You mentioned Lady Bugs... do you have them because you have a bug problem or just as a preventative? The leaf damage looks a little like what you see from spider mites, but that is a longshot unless you had prior bug problems.

This right here is why I love this site. So much info in just one reply. I don't grow indoors but who knows, maybe someday I'll break down and break the bank and build a grow room. The info here is amazing!

Aqua Man · May 21, 2019

Think your temps at the bud sites are way to high if you are getting those readings with IR thermometer. I would't go over bud or leaf temps of 77F and late in flower i'm usually more like 72F. The reason LED growers go 80F ish + is because the lack of IR that warms the leaf. The goal is to get about 75F leaf temps so they up the ambient temps to achieve this. I also would not defoliate that much but to each their own.

If this is your first grow you did what a lot of people fail to do. That is get to harvest without dead plants and learn along the way to improve your next grow.

Kepp89 · May 21, 2019

Yeah think I have bugs but they’re very minimal
I was cleared of bugs until I installed a new light from eBay. Hella odd timing...!

I thought bud temps were best at 84 degrees? Read quite a few agricultural articles on it maybe 6 weeks ago.

I had a very weak light to start so I defoliated to help it be more useful but I have a better light now so next plant will be better. Tent will also be bigger.

I’m not withholding water to stress the plant on purpose. I used reds biochar soil and wait until the pot is nice and light. It’s a good soil to retain moisture but also be airy. I think I’m gonna add coco to it next time so it dries quicker next go around.

:( I thought nute burn hits the tips first and moves in. The yellowing did start after the 2nd feed :/ but I didn’t feed nutes until well into flowering so I figured it can’t be the nutes I used .5 ml to a gallon twice then the yellowing started.

And thanks I’m hella excited to get this harvested dried and cured. Patience first...is BORING...but required

Kepp89 · May 21, 2019

Jimster said:
The leaf damage looks a little like what you see from spider mites, but that is a longshot unless you had prior bug problems.

Here’s a ladybug in slow mo action taken last night.

Either it’s eating like crazy and literally shoving bugs in its mouth or it’s just cleaning it’s beard really often.

And I did notice a few leaves with the appearance of being weighed down despite the rest being a-ok. Noticed they had some eggs on the back side and promptly removed them. 3 leaves in total, all fan leaves. Bud leaves appear to be clean but I imagine I’m wrong.

Aaaand I was today days old when I learned a slow motion recorded video on an iPhone will play at normal speed when uploaded. :(

Jimster · May 22, 2019

You might have spider mites, which are insanely tiny but cause a lot of damage. I noticed one of my plants, which normally grow insanely fast, seemed to be smaller than usual, but despite looking, I saw nothing but some very tiny red specks on some of the older and larger fan leaves. The spots were so small that you really couldn't see them unless the light reflected off of it just right. I looked a few times until I saw a speck much smaller than a speck of pepper, at the very very edge of my vision. Spider mites. I washed and sprayed and got them mostly under control, but I am seeing some signs again so another round is coming. Some of my leaves got the striped yellowing that you are seeing in some of your pics. I would imagine that the ladybugs would keep them somewhat in check, but the damage they do is surprising, taking a few weeks after it happens to look like the leaves were affected. If you found eggs, then you have bugs. It's possible that they are gone now, but the damage has been done by the looks of it. Keep your eyes open for them critters!

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