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MIMedGrower said:

Now adding microbes to a neutral medium to break down organic nutrients makes sense.

But not sure carbs are uptaken by plants. Dont think so. They produce their own.

Thats what jorje cervantes thought he observed. Feed sugar watch bigger buds grow. But it was just normal growth he was seeing.

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I personally found a ton of errors in Jorge's books!

Plants love sugars. Photosynthesis or light energy is converted into sugars. Plants store sugars and starches in the buds and it makes them fatter.

4TREESCANNABIS said:

I personally found a ton of errors in Jorge's books!

Plants love sugars. Photosynthesis or light energy is converted into sugars. Plants store sugars and starches in the buds and it makes them fatter.

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Just like sugars and carbs fatten me up!

4TREESCANNABIS said:

I personally found a ton of errors in Jorge's books!

Plants love sugars. Photosynthesis or light energy is converted into sugars. Plants store sugars and starches in the buds and it makes them fatter.

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He redacted his comment about feeding sugar fattens buds was the point.

And i sure wouldnt want artificially pumped up buds.

Carbs are a food source to some bacteria. These bacteria may provide a benefit to the plant but it's above my knowledge to know exactly what that may be. But plants also release starches to feed these bacteria mostly during the Calvin cycle so I'm not sure what if any benefit would be seen by supplementing the soil. By doing so the plants attract these bacteria directly to the roots so I will assume there is a benefit but if the food source is applied to the soil I kinda lean towards these microbes while feeding on the the starches added are not increasing what benefit may be gained in a symbiotic way to the roots. However it may be certain enzymes or other compounds that may benefit the plant. I'm looking at it objectively but it over my comprehension.

4TREESCANNABIS said:

I personally found a ton of errors in Jorge's books!

Plants love sugars. Photosynthesis or light energy is converted into sugars. Plants store sugars and starches in the buds and it makes them fatter.

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It's stored energy and some of those are released into the soil during the Calvin cycle to feed bacteria and fungi... Sugars and starches stored in buds are not something that improve them. Ever burn sugar?

Good talk guys.. but I'ma bail. It's always nice to see what perspective others have and bounce info off eachother. But I need a break from it for a few days. Beers and fire time stay safe

@ aqua man.........what about pond water with some algae bloom... few fish in there but not excessive to the muskie that somehow got in there from a minnow trap as a minnow ..would you or wouldn't you if you were growing in soil...i know your an H20 guy

Foutwenty71 said:

@ aqua man.........what about pond water with some algae bloom... few fish in there but not excessive to the muskie that somehow got in there from a minnow trap as a minnow ..would you or wouldn't you if you were growing in soil...i know your an H20 guy

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Not a high enough source of nutrients most fish prefer under 10ppm nitrates and don't do well to a varyiing degree based on species over 50ppm it's even worse depending on the form ammonia/ammonium is the most toxic form of nitrogen to aquatic animals. Ammonium being slightly less toxic and as ph rises more is converted to ammonia over a ph of 7 it becomes very deadly. And Cannabis likes about 120ppm. That's why it's not a very suitable candidate for aquaponics.

Aqua Man said:

Not a high enough source of nutrients most fish prefer under 10ppm nitrates and don't do well to a varyiing degree based on species over 50ppm it's even worse depending on the form ammonia/ammonium is the most toxic form of nitrogen to aquatic animals. Ammonium being slightly less toxic and as ph rises more is converted to ammonia over a ph of 7 it becomes very deadly. And Cannabis likes about 120ppm. That's why it's not a very suitable candidate for aquaponics.

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ty and have a good weekend

Aqua Man said:

Not a high enough source of nutrients most fish prefer under 10ppm nitrates and don't do well to a varyiing degree based on species over 50ppm it's even worse depending on the form ammonia/ammonium is the most toxic form of nitrogen to aquatic animals. Ammonium being slightly less toxic and as ph rises more is converted to ammonia over a ph of 7 it becomes very deadly. And Cannabis likes about 120ppm. That's why it's not a very suitable candidate for aquaponics.

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Now that you're in dirt, you have a need for dead fish. Chop off their heads and put one under every plant.

Here is some info i found. I cant find the original study.

Did you guys have microbiology degrees before you started growing weed ? Or do i need to read a lot more to catch up ?

dire wolf said:

Did you guys have microbiology degrees befor you started growing weed ? Or do i need to read a lot more to catch up ?

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No degrees just lotsa of research and time spent using them over 20-25yrs in aquatics. Tons of scientific studies and info online these days to self educate. And then the good old books. When you enjoy something you can manage to spend an immense amount of time learning about it. Honestly I spend anywhere from 30min to several hours a day reading stuff that interests me. Not just cannabis

MiMed is right. If you are using microbes, or utilizing them to be more specific you want them engaging the roots for carbs from the plant at the root surface. The plant feeds the micro biology through exudate and adding an external source of carbs disrupts the communication between the microbes and the roots and causes blooms and die offs.

And most of the microbial supplements these days are extremely dominant subspecies, and while adding them might cause others to die off, the chances are you will be left with the ones you added and want in there, the trichodermas and the nutrient cyclers.

Ok fine....
Mycorrhizal fungi are found in two primary types , ectomycorrhizae live on the outside of roots as sheaths , where as endomycorrhizae actually live within the plant itself .. cannabis growers look to utilize the power of fungi to boost the nutrient uptake , you should be aware that the addition of excess fertilizers and the use of fungicides can damage reduce the effects of these organisims ....
Just sayin .......

dire wolf said:

Ok fine....
Mycorrhizal fungi are found in two primary types , ectomycorrhizae live on the outside of roots as sheaths , where as endomycorrhizae actually live within the plant itself .. cannabis growers look to utilize the power of fungi to boost the nutrient uptake , you should be aware that the addition of excess fertilizers and the use of fungicides can damage reduce the effects of these organisims ....
Just sayin .......

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Somebody has a degree? Or just a self taught interest?

mancorn said:

Now that you're in dirt, you have a need for dead fish. Chop off their heads and put one under every plant.

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I been doing that for years...word of warning to those who do it...The results are always great a BUT......moles eat meat and the bugs the fish attracts, and sometimes not just a few moles. They can be difficult to trap and poison is never an option in my gardens ( currently using gas bombs CADDYSHACK style with some success) I break the fish down in a compost pit before introducing it to my plants... I spend many hours BeerFishing on the Rum river behind the house for rough fish just for this purpose.....FISH IS ALMOST MAGIC!!!! (the moles destroy your root system)

MIMedGrower said:

Way better off. Mollasses would have to break way down over time to actually have its nutrients available to plants.

Many show the fda nutrient label but that is for humans with acid in our stomachs to break down food. Plants cant take up such large molecules.

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I was thinking more about this and maybe adding seaweed extract makes more sense as an available source of micronutrients and as a food source for microbes.

Foutwenty71 said:

I been doing that for years...word of warning to those who do it...The results are always great a BUT......moles eat meat and the bugs the fish attracts, and sometimes not just a few moles. They can be difficult to trap and poison is never an option in my gardens ( currently using gas bombs CADDYSHACK style with some success) I break the fish down in a compost pit before introducing it to my plants... I spend many hours BeerFishing on the Rum river behind the house for rough fish just for this purpose.....FISH IS ALMOST MAGIC!!!! (the moles destroy your root system)

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Years ago I had a gopher problem and as part of my Caddie Shack fight bought a plant they called Gopher Weed or Gopher Spurge (Euphorbia Lathyris). To be honest I don't know if it really helped, but it keeps popping up in my yard every year and I haven't had gophers for years. (But I think there are moles around.) It's not super invasive, but keeps coming back.

MIMedGrower said:

There is a professor who dispels ag myth. I have a link somewhere. She writes that when a farmer sprays compost on the crops the micro life blooms excessively. Then it all competes for food so some live and some immediately die out. In a day or two all the extra created bacteria die off and the root zone goes back to the normal amount.

They found no evidence that the plants uptook nutrients any more than without compost sprayed. It is possibly less from the microbes competing and eating all available starches.

Just the micro life activity and die back is proven.

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Half ass wannabe science is why everyone has cancer. Plants eat microbes. That's why you see no increase in rhizome microbes, and no increase in nutrient uptake.


@Aqua Baby admitting you can't tell a difference between hydro and bio is admitting a lot of things that you shouldn't be proud of. Evolution helped the rest of us, what happened to your bloodline that you can't taste the massive difference? Inbreeding perhaps.