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ok so yesterday I watered my plants... with bottled purified water..and used nutrients 24-8-16 ... anyways I then noticed one plant was rather droopy last night very late before bed but didnt know what to do soo decided maybe it just needed a day for some of the water to dry up.. well now today it appears a bit less droopy but numerous bronze spots have appeared all around the leaves especially the outer edges .. I was wondering if there was any way to sort of correct this as I have not done anything yet.. At first I worried of overwatering.. soo felt watering would be counterproductive.. now it almost looks like nute burn.. so wouldnt I want to add pure water to get any remaining nutrients out of the soil? Any help greatly appreciated here are pics of the droopy last night and edges today
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jamk911 said:
ok so yesterday I watered my plants... with bottled purified water..and used nutrients 24-8-16 ... anyways I then noticed one plant was rather droopy last night very late before bed but didnt know what to do soo decided maybe it just needed a day for some of the water to dry up.. well now today it appears a bit less droopy but numerous bronze spots have appeared all around the leaves especially the outer edges .. I was wondering if there was any way to sort of correct this as I have not done anything yet.. At first I worried of overwatering.. soo felt watering would be counterproductive.. now it almost looks like nute burn.. so wouldnt I want to add pure water to get any remaining nutrients out of the soil? Any help greatly appreciated here are pics of the droopy last night and edges todayView attachment 996329View attachment 996330View attachment 996331
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Im a first time grower so take my opinion with a grain of salt a plant that small in soil shouldnt need nutez
 
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Definitely change nute ratio to something lighter, maybe try half-strength.

Also the little sticky looking spots on the leaves are an early sign of thrips. Give her a wash with some insecticidal soap and see if they come back.
 
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I wish it was thrips.. be easier to fix..its nutrient burn I think.. i gave them 4x the recommended nutrient amount ... it was 1 tsp per gal I put a tsp in a 1liter spray bottle ... wont flushing overwater plants..
 
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jamk911 said:
I wish it was thrips.. be easier to fix..its nutrient burn I think.. i gave them 4x the recommended nutrient amount ... it was 1 tsp per gal I put a tsp in a 1liter spray bottle ... wont flushing overwater plants..
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Proper airflow will help the flushed plants medium dry out to prevent too much saturation in the medium. But +1 to what @Oa.ahhu said. Great recommendation for nutrient overload.
 
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jamk911 said:
I wish it was thrips.. be easier to fix..its nutrient burn I think.. i gave them 4x the recommended nutrient amount ... it was 1 tsp per gal I put a tsp in a 1liter spray bottle ... wont flushing overwater plants..
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I would go to the nearest hydro store and get some humic acid solution and flush 2-3x your soil volume with it. May as well go ahead and prevent what could happen.
 
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Mix yourself up a very lightly fed, properly ph'd container of water for use after. Run three or four times the volume of the planted container of room temp, de-chlorinated water through or until the leech water looks clear. Then flush with your pre made nutrient solution lightly. All in one fell swoop. Your plant will water shock and droop hard but she will cone back healthy as she dries out.

Its not water volume that hurts plants, if considerations are made for the plants best interest. Its frequency of watering that really causes them harm. Got to give the roots a chance to dry out, but not too dry...
 
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I flushed with 3 gallons theyre 1 gal pots.. oddly enough the plant didnt droop at all.. still progressing a bit of nute shock .. been about 3 hours .. i figure the new leaves coming in are fine.. thankfully a learning experience that has not yet caused death.. thank all of you for the advice though... also.. my other plant was bigger.. is not showing these signs.. should I still flush it as well anyways to perhaps prevent anything that may have harmed it.. and then in a few days put maybe 1/4th the recommended dosage in of nutes?
 
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Kanzeon said:
Definitely change nute ratio to something lighter, maybe try half-strength.

Also the little sticky looking spots on the leaves are an early sign of thrips. Give her a wash with some insecticidal soap and see if they come back.
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I think @Kanzeon is onto something here that you should pay a bit more attention to as well👆. As you continue to monitor your plants after you flushed and the growth resumes I’d also keep an eye on the thrips. Very small to the naked eye. Good luck and happy grows.
 
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Get some airflow on it, make sure whatever your flushing it with is ph balanced water. No chlorine, if possible. Get some air flow on it's roots, and keep it cool.

It will bounce back, and when you get your nutes straight, you can start increasing them, but do it gradually, and back off, if there's signs of burn, or drooping.

Learn from this, but don't over react either. It's a learning experience.
 
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BurnzYzBudZz said:
I think @Kanzeon is onto something here that you should pay a bit more attention to as well👆. As you continue to monitor your plants after you flushed and the growth resumes I’d also keep an eye on the thrips. Very small to the naked eye. Good luck and happy grows.
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Yep. The brownish spots on the leaves in the second picture are where the thrips have been eating under the leaves for sure. Safer's End-all is my on-plant bug killer and it's dynamite for thrips.
 
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Kanzeon said:
Yep. The brownish spots on the leaves in the second picture are where the thrips have been eating under the leaves for sure. Safer's End-all is my on-plant bug killer and it's dynamite for thrips.
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So if he had cleaned that off in the beginning, and started treatments, that would have never happened? So this isn't burn, it's an infestation?

Or is it both...
 
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Yeah its just nute burn.. i went over entire plant with magnifying glass not a single bug..didnt think it was bugs just because of location.. and coincidental timing.. and its even on every single leaf.. i looked in the soil even not one.. i didnt think so though .. those would be progressive not instantly on every leaf immediately after nutrients
 
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LOL, I just did another treatment of my girls, atomized 1/2 tbsp olive oil, 1 TBSP of Dr Bonners Peppermint Pure Castile Soap, Refreshing!

freaking out here. creepy crawly, after smoking that big joint.

NO TOO BUGS!!
 
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Frankster said:
So if he had cleaned that off in the beginning, and started treatments, that would have never happened? So this isn't burn, it's an infestation?

Or is it both...
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If there aren't thrips now, I think there were recently, based on these two pics.

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See how the lighter parts of the leaf here correlate with the brown part of the below picture? That's where they have eaten their way up from the underside of the leaf.

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Also yes, I think there was probably an adverse reaction to the nutes and possibly some minor light shock based on the leaf puffiness and the veins being asymmetrically structured.
 
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Keep us updated, i would start learning about preventative spraying and keeping things clean. Remember leaves that are damaged are not going to recover. Just look at the new growth. I hope all goes well !

P.s dont start pulling off all the damaged leaves :)
 
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It was actually a reaction to over watering.. my medium plus the pot its in.. a metal pot .. the holes for the runoff from watering werent large enough and got clogged with perlite balls and like woodchip things.. lol.. when i flushed it out I realized it when the plant soil was floating and barely draining.. apparently overwatering starts as drooping and then progresses to this slow creep of browning if left not draining well.. final question.. since I did flush.. should I put a small amt of nutes in now.. since it prob all washed away.. or just wait to dry out then put a little bit in with that watering.. im still pissed my pot basically did this.. not even nute burn what a headache.. and i was thinking abt moving em to the better 5 gal pots I had too.. soo mad i didnt
 
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