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Really droopy leaves, they feel wet but dry at the same time.

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Really droopy leaves, they feel wet but dry at the same time.

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Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:
you want them to mostly dry out before you water them again, you just dont want to let them get cracker dry or wilt.

Keeping them moist all the time is often as bad as letting them dry out all the way. And a plant with bad root rot setting in, and a cracker dry and wilted plant can often look almost identical. believe it or not.
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Yea being new to growing anything I just am at a loss I've never experienced anything like this it was so quick. I thought everything I've been doing was pretty correct but apparently not. Any suggestions on what direction to go?
 
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Mikebrad2622 said:
So I'll switch the days of watering every 2 to 3..I check almost every morning b4 work and if they're still moist and heavier I'll leave them be an switch the days but if they're light I'll water..thinking maybe it didn't water for a few days and I neglected them?.. usually I keep them fairly moist man. Thanks
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Yea being new to growing anything I just am at a loss I've never experienced anything like this it was so quick. I thought everything I've been doing was pretty correct but apparently not. Any suggestions on what direction to go?
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1100ppm is too strong but not the prob

Take some close up pictures of the twisted new growth, the most affected leaves where you see spots, and any odd looking things on the leaves
 
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Beachbumm said:
1100ppm is too strong but not the prob

Take some close up pictures of the twisted new growth, the most affected leaves where you see spots, and any odd looking things on the leaves
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I'll just post the pictures I have on hand, I'm working tonight.
 

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Check for dry pockets. Lift the pots. Your roots are bone dry. You’ve been not watering enough in one session I bet. Are they consuming 3 liters of water every 48hours? They should be.

Slowly water. Slowly saturate.
 
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Grower1974 said:
Check for dry pockets. Lift the pots. Your roots are bone dry. You’ve been not watering enough in one session I bet. Are they consuming 3 liters of water every 48hours? They should be.

Slowly water. Slowly saturate.
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I believe they were getting 3/4 every 2 to 3 days. Had to of missed a day or something. I was having issues with my pump the first couple waterings when hooked up maybe that's when it began. What do you think about a flush and kind of start over with milder dose nutes? Idk
 
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Mikebrad2622 said:
I believe they were getting 3/4 every 2 to 3 days. Had to of missed a day or something. I was having issues with my pump the first couple waterings when hooked up maybe that's when it began. What do you think about a flush and kind of start over with milder dose nutes? Idk
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I still dont thin kthis is simple underwatering or overwatering. I still think this is something fungal.


A plant this late into flower wont regain full turgidity when watered after a wilt this bad, but it will regain some, no matter what kind of moisture you put into the soil, even if its flat beer PH'd to 4.5, itll regain some turgidity before the plant shows damage from what you gave it lol


The plant looks worse today, so its not underwatering. If i were a betting man, id still be leaning towards root rot or something fungal. Either way, a plant that looks like this, your problem is in the roots, ive never seen a plant look like this and it not be root rot, totally dried out, or a fungal infection personally. And ive been growin for a good minute. But still doesnt mean its one of those things, just that im considering them by far the most likely culprits still.
 
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Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:
I still dont thin kthis is simple underwatering or overwatering. I still think this is something fungal.


A plant this late into flower wont regain full turgidity when watered after a wilt this bad, but it will regain some, no matter what kind of moisture you put into the soil, even if its flat beer PH'd to 4.5, itll regain some turgidity before the plant shows damage from what you gave it lol


The plant looks worse today, so its not underwatering. If i were a betting man, id still be leaning towards root rot or something fungal. Either way, a plant that looks like this, your problem is in the roots, ive never seen a plant look like this and it not be root rot, totally dried out, or a fungal infection personally. And ive been growin for a good minute. But still doesnt mean its one of those things, just that im considering them by far the most likely culprits still.
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Thanks for all the input much appreciated. I was always afraid of over watering so I think I just let it dry too much at some point.
 
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if its watered every 3 days but dry in two yes.

If you usually keep the soil pretty moist then no lol


Not trying to be a dick or a knit picker lmao i promise, but these two statements throw me off pretty good because they contradict each other. Is why ive been going in a circle lmfao xD


My best recommendation, i think, is that you stop automating waterings, and weighing pots with a scale, and start watering by hand, and getting a feel for their weights by picking them up 🤙


Whatever your issue is, if you proceed in that manner it'll probably solve itself pretty quickly and not present itself to you again
 
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Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:
I still dont thin kthis is simple underwatering or overwatering. I still think this is something fungal.


A plant this late into flower wont regain full turgidity when watered after a wilt this bad, but it will regain some, no matter what kind of moisture you put into the soil, even if its flat beer PH'd to 4.5, itll regain some turgidity before the plant shows damage from what you gave it lol


The plant looks worse today, so its not underwatering. If i were a betting man, id still be leaning towards root rot or something fungal. Either way, a plant that looks like this, your problem is in the roots, ive never seen a plant look like this and it not be root rot, totally dried out, or a fungal infection personally. And ive been growin for a good minute. But still doesnt mean its one of those things, just that im considering them by far the most likely culprits still.
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Mikebrad2622 said:
Thanks for all the input much appreciated. I was always afraid of over watering so I think I just let it dry too much at some point.
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If it were my plants, I'd pull them out of the containers, being totally dry and me using plastic containers that slide out easy, to check the roots....

That size container, I'd feed it 3 solo cups initially....then after a couple minutes, 1 solo cup every 2 minutes until run-off.....about a solo of run-off....
 
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Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:
if its watered every 3 days but dry in two yes.

If you usually keep the soil pretty moist then no lol


Not trying to be a dick or a knit picker lmao i promise, but these two statements throw me off pretty good because they contradict each other. Is why ive been going in a circle lmfao xD


My best recommendation, i think, is that you stop automating waterings, and weighing pots with a scale, and start watering by hand, and getting a feel for their weights by picking them up 🤙


Whatever your issue is, if you proceed in that manner it'll probably solve itself pretty quickly and not present itself to you again
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I hear you
 
#32
if your lazy like me you can just poke a hole in the lid of a water bottle, and keep track of how many fillups you've done. Just water like rain constantly moving the bottle.

Watering on a specific and defined schedule can def get you into some trouble in flower though. Fact.
 
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Mikebrad2622 said:
I believe they were getting 3/4 every 2 to 3 days. Had to of missed a day or something. I was having issues with my pump the first couple waterings when hooked up maybe that's when it began. What do you think about a flush and kind of start over with milder dose nutes? Idk
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If those were my plants the First thing I would do would be check underneath the leaves WITH MAGNIFICATION for mites.

Second thing regardless of bugs or not would be to flush the hell out of them w/ plain ph'ed water & measure runoff ph/ppm at start & finish
 
#34
To me, it looks like they want more water. Give them a good watering, be slow because you can have some dry pockets and the water will go to the side of the pots and spill on the ground. If it gets better when you water them good, its just that they need more watering, if they get worse can be overwatering. For eliminating salts accumulated in the substrate you can use epsom salts. If they dont get better or worse an hour or two after you water them then its not water related.
 
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Beachbumm said:
If those were my plants the First thing I would do would be check underneath the leaves WITH MAGNIFICATION for mites.

Second thing regardless of bugs or not would be to flush the hell out of them w/ plain ph'ed water & measure runoff ph/ppm at start & finish
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Did a flush last night, this morning the healthiest plant came back but the other 2 sadly did not. Tore into the smallest ones roots just out of curiosity here's what I got
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Mikebrad2622 said:
Did a flush last night, this morning the healthiest plant came back but the other 2 sadly did not. Tore into the smallest ones roots just out of curiosity here's what I gotView attachment 2193588View attachment 2193589View attachment 2193590View attachment 2193591
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That's a shame! At least you saved one. Did you notice any root aphids by any chance, because it's really odd to see three plants nose dive like that.

For my money I hate those freaking grow bags, I've run them and I can't stand them they don't have anything to offer my style of growing.
 
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Beachbumm said:
If those were my plants the First thing I would do would be check underneath the leaves WITH MAGNIFICATION for mites.

Second thing regardless of bugs or not would be to flush the hell out of them w/ plain ph'ed water & measure runoff ph/ppm at start & finish
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if mites were bad enough to do a plant like this, you wouldnt need a magnifying glass, and the leaves would be covered in mite scales visible from across a room.


Thats not a PH lockout or salt build up problem, can say say that with absolute and total certainty lol. Those issues are slower builds that physically and permanently scar a plant long before turgidity is lost. When you change the calcium within the plant into a hydrochloric salt within the plant's leaves, dead tissue happens rapidly.


A plant that looks like that is either very dry, root rotting, or has something attacking its roots, likely fungal over pest since there is no evidence of pests on the visible plant, most pests that attack roots have life cycles to carry out that happen pretty rapidly too. Possibilities are really just wilt, root rot, or fungal infection. Possibilities beyond that are actually so limited i still cant come up with any.

A flush isnt gonna hurt anything, but if its just simple wilt the problem should long be solved at this point, shoulda been resolved by yesterday but the plants looked even worse.


Have you watered with PH'd water since posting? Did plants recover any? Did they get worse? Did you ever flush or check drainage PPM?


If they recovered it was wilt, if they got worse it's definitely root rot or a fungal root infection.
 
#39
Beachbumm said:
That's a shame! At least you saved one. Did you notice any root aphids by any chance, because it's really odd to see three plants nose dive like that.

For my money I hate those freaking grow bags, I've run them and I can't stand them they don't have anything to offer my style of growing.
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I did not see any .
Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:
if mites were bad enough to do a plant like this, you wouldnt need a magnifying glass, and the leaves would be covered in mite scales visible from across a room.


Thats not a PH lockout or salt build up problem, can say say that with absolute and total certainty lol. Those issues are slower builds that physically and permanently scar a plant long before turgidity is lost. When you change the calcium within the plant into a hydrochloric salt within the plant's leaves, dead tissue happens rapidly.


A plant that looks like that is either very dry, root rotting, or has something attacking its roots, likely fungal over pest since there is no evidence of pests on the visible plant, most pests that attack roots have life cycles to carry out that happen pretty rapidly too. Possibilities are really just wilt, root rot, or fungal infection. Possibilities beyond that are actually so limited i still cant come up with any.

A flush isnt gonna hurt anything, but if its just simple wilt the problem should long be solved at this point, shoulda been resolved by yesterday but the plants looked even worse.


Have you watered with PH'd water since posting? Did plants recover any? Did they get worse? Did you ever flush or check drainage PPM?


If they recovered it was wilt, if they got worse it's definitely root rot or a fungal root infection.
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Yes I dunk flushed with flora kleen pH 6.5 also put 2 gallons through each one
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back a lot, the other 2 were smaller and even smaller, did not recover. Cut them open to look at roots..roots looked ok but not great like a lot of people's I see on here but I couldn't tare them apart, seemed strong as hell and pretty white up top..down below seemed possibly rotted? Soil very compact but it was bone dry when I originally posted for help
 
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yea you got root rot in there my brother.

its not the ropey roots that rot, its the fine hairs. Once those fine hair are lost, a plant can no longer uptake nutrient or moisture reliably, and that the entire reason root rot looks so much like a simple wilted plant.

Your looking for discolored brown/yellow ropey roots, and the lack of fine hairs grabbing the soil, mainly down low in the pot, exactly what you have here. Sometimes depending on the bacteria causing it, it may smell like stagnant water, sometimes it may just smell like soil (ive assumed fungal rot in those instances).

If it doesnt smell like stagnant water it was probably verticillium wilt. (fungal root infection) and get your daughter's mango the hell out of that tent lol. Some plants fight of verticillium just fine, but the ones that dont die, it is incurable once colonized to a root system.
 
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