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Your Daily feeding PPM is slowly killing your plant !!! But have no fear.. The Chemist is here 😉

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Your Daily feeding PPM is slowly killing your plant !!! But have no fear.. The Chemist is here 😉

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Welcome and take a seat. Because I am going to solve about 90% of your deficiency issues... and it has nothing to do with formulation nor organic vs inorganic. Most of us growers are plague with the.. what deficiency am i seeing when I know I am feeding my plants more than is required.
You may even be scientific and feed them the exact amount of ever possible nutes.. and within the right ratio and pot ppm. But still phosphorus issues pops up.. leaves suddenly get yellow... plants seems to stop growing and halted.. and we flush and restart our feed the same way as before.. we may even use less so the plant can recover... the irony is our "fix" Is actually doing more harm than good in most cases...
Simply because we keep brushing aside a simple fact... our watering ppm yes i know we use RO water... however our daily.. and daily is very important water/feed ppm is what's locking out, not nutrient.. but it's locking out energy in the form of sugars... I laugh when I saw such a simple non important thing is causing alot of ppl.. including myself (just discovered this today after 18yrs of research in plants)... I just fucking laugh out.
 
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So long story short.. before I get very heavy in science is that... there is a physical.. yes physical dynamics not chemical or biological.. a physical dynamics between PPM and plants outside of nutrient available... in our growing culture we like eg nitrogen availability based on your ppm feed.. and we use ppm just to list the combination of nutes available to the plants... but fuck!! I too swear that once this was on point then smooth sailing till harvest.... nope... there is actually a unique relationship between raw ppm and plants and it has nothing to do with nutes... but it has alot to do with the distribution of plants energy that was created during the day... why is this important well... you Eva wonder y your plants are showing overwatering issues but it's not been over watered... or strange burn on the top of your girls that looks like potassium deficiency however the lower leave hasn't lost their greeness to confirm that... yep your plants are starving for energy (sugar) and we with our daily feeding and water are compounding that issues daily as well.. hence you see this mainly on bigger plants where this same plant with the same nutes was growing excellent a week ago...

Your plants is being held constantly in a state of a simulate transplant shock... yes same transplant shock seedlings get at the start of your grow... big adult plants gets it too all because of our daily feeding schedule and the ppm being fed.
 
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How is a big plant getting transplant shock.. how is that even possible you might ask yourself... well let explore why seedlings even gets transplant shock to begin with.
When a seedlings is growing we usually grow them with diluted nutes.. when we transfer them into our pot.. the pot ppm are usually much higher than the seedlings is accustomed to... so what do the seedlings does... it get yellow or droop ova or even looks like it stop growing... but actually all these sign is tell tell sign that the seedlings is allocating most of it energy via photosynthesis towards...
1. Growing roots to supply the top shoots with nutrients.
2. concentrating that sugar the plant made that day at the roots so water can move into the plant via a concentration gradient.
And once everything is balanced out.. all of a sudden you see a rapid recovery of the seedlings after a day or 2.

That dynamics above the concentration of the sugar just to allow water to move across the root into the plant... that the fucking reason we all have problems growing... I swear I wish it was something more complicated than this.

Let me explain with some numbers and you will soon see what the solution is.

From my research (I wrote a program to project 2 yr of growth of plants) plants use between 300ppm and 800ppm of total nutes per day give or take. And we'll seedlings may use around 80 to 100ppm.

Let me show you how our watering is causing transplant shock (I'll hada coin a phrase for it... but let's just say transplant shock for now)
Let's keep it simple so everyone can follow alone by simulating a grow for you all.
 
#4
Daily feed =450ppm

Plant "sugars" to create a concentration gradient for water flow (diffusion) = 451ppm (I am guessing this but enough evidence online to suggest plants needs a certain % of free sugar (brix) for normal daily plant function to occur.
Daily Plant ppm draw = 300 (small to medium plant)
Therefore net daily ppm = 450 -300 = 150ppm. That's a 33% increase excess for tomorrow feed.
=450+150-300 = 300ppm then tomorrow.
=450+300-300 = 450ppm a whole day excess. Now you may say let's do a 10% water flush that's only -75 ppm or a 20%.. -150ppm or a 30% -300ppm .. I think you seeing my drift.. but you may say why this is important it's just a little bit of ppm heck tap water has more ppm than what's accumulating...
Well for your plants it's a death sentence 💀... because it's required to provide 451 x 1.33 ppm more sugars the first day and by the third day it's required to supply 900 x 1.33 EXTRA SUGARS just to maintain that brix number for normal plant function... in reality if the plant was always maxed out in it's energy allocation to simply get water to drink (photosynthesis) (100% water dependant) it will need 2.65 x more leaf surface just to provide the additional sugars to counteract the deficit of just 3 days of our feeding schedule... and no plant can double it's shoot mass in two day... so when your plant hits this point... it's slowly dying a painful death.. because it's growing environment is taxing it's daily energy surplus to get a simple drink of water to make the energy of the tax....

Yea it's fucked up... all because we wanted them to have the best possible start.. we creating our plant deficit from day one when we plant...

But there is a easy fix... I am a chemist after all.. but I'll let you all engage in the theory and see if someone can figure out the fix. 😉
 
#5
that would be cool if our plant would eat what we give her in same quantities.in reality we give nutes but from npk it could eat 90% of N and 75% of P making imbalances the longer we fill new ferts.
too high to read all of it its just too much.
read my diary if you like ppms i did daily numbers
 
#6
Oh I like anything plant my brother.. it's my daily life at this point. But once you return to earth you should have a read. It's my life work 🥲
 
#7
@BudRanger1919 what so funny bro? I wanna laugh too. While we laughing that's a 1 1/2" pvc pipe next to a 11ft Girl. All after 6 weeks. Where is the joke 😃 😀 😄 😁 🤣
 

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@@BudRanger1919 or is it the 4000+ peppers trees growing in the 10gal bags too. Where the joke is.. add me in plz. And thanks 😊
 

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@BudRanger1919 or maybe the joke is in the fishes.. because everything you see is grown via aquaponics... but yes you hada depend on a company formulation.. when I am reinventing the way we grow... do I need to add more jokes.... best I put up the sweetpeppers as well.
 

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HGE said:
Daily feed =450ppm

Plant "sugars" to create a concentration gradient for water flow (diffusion) = 451ppm (I am guessing this but enough evidence online to suggest plants needs a certain % of free sugar (brix) for normal daily plant function to occur.
Daily Plant ppm draw = 300 (small to medium plant)
Therefore net daily ppm = 450 -300 = 150ppm. That's a 33% increase excess for tomorrow feed.
=450+150-300 = 300ppm then tomorrow.
=450+300-300 = 450ppm a whole day excess. Now you may say let's do a 10% water flush that's only -75 ppm or a 20%.. -150ppm or a 30% -300ppm .. I think you seeing my drift.. but you may say why this is important it's just a little bit of ppm heck tap water has more ppm than what's accumulating...
Well for your plants it's a death sentence 💀... because it's required to provide 451 x 1.33 ppm more sugars the first day and by the third day it's required to supply 900 x 1.33 EXTRA SUGARS just to maintain that brix number for normal plant function... in reality if the plant was always maxed out in it's energy allocation to simply get water to drink (photosynthesis) (100% water dependant) it will need 2.65 x more leaf surface just to provide the additional sugars to counteract the deficit of just 3 days of our feeding schedule... and no plant can double it's shoot mass in two day... so when your plant hits this point... it's slowly dying a painful death.. because it's growing environment is taxing it's daily energy surplus to get a simple drink of water to make the energy of the tax....

Yea it's fucked up... all because we wanted them to have the best possible start.. we creating our plant deficit from day one when we plant...

But there is a easy fix... I am a chemist after all.. but I'll let you all engage in the theory and see if someone can figure out the fix. 😉
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Is the fix to dilute the daily feeding -150ppm of normal? I'm brand new so excuse my ignorance..
 
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HGE said:
@BudRanger1919 what so funny bro? I wanna laugh too. While we laughing that's a 1 1/2" pvc pipe next to a 11ft Girl. All after 6 weeks. Where is the joke 😃 😀 😄 😁 🤣
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Do you beleve that was nutes? Outdoor is mostly the sun. You can feed it chicken shit it will grow bigger than that in equatorian lands
 
#13
All Cannabis problems are chemistry problems. There is no static ppm for heavy metal toxicity, for example. Tissue damage happens at imbalanced ratios, because it's the chemical reaction that's of concern. No different than adding hardener to bondo; the amount of catalyst doesn't matter, the ratio does.

Nutrients have been observed to transport against the flow of water in Cannabis. OP babbles about phosphorus which is the one element least affected by mass flow.


Sugars move at night, in a highly coordinated fashion. (That's why hydro growers have yellow new growth when they switch to flower: the plant consumes all it's sugars at the 12hr mark and switches to proteins for the additional 6 hours of dark.

I've never seen transplant shock.
 
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