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Wanted How long are your clones taking to root?

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Wanted How long are your clones taking to root?

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#62
Jaden said:
If you see no difference why bother trimming the leaves? You say because 'you don't like it'. Thats fine, but the plants dont like physical damage. It takes energy away from them to heal that. These open wounds are an opportunity for infection to enter.... unnecessary risk even if it is small. Thats both a minus, even if they are small. These minuses here and there add up. Why not give it 100% effort to do it right rather than 95%? Have a little pride in your work.
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Lol, this dude is a joke, I have started thousands of clones at this point. There is no difference in rooting. The difference is leaves sitting on top of one another. You have 22 posts here and you are already on the fence with the mods, but please keep being condescending to the folks that have been here a long time
 
#63
dreamnfox said:
Lol, this dude is a joke, I have started thousands of clones at this point. There is no difference in rooting. The difference is leaves sitting on top of one another. You have 22 posts here and you are already on the fence with the mods, but please keep being condescending to the folks that have been here a long time
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Magnumsmydog said:
Look I've seen your profile and posts.........carry on I've got nothing to learn from you, thanks ill be seeing myself out of this one ✌️
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Just ignore him and maybe he will go away. His life is shit so I guess the only enjoyment he gets is acting superior online and trying to make others as miserable as he is. Sad.
 
#64
orggrwr said:
Just

Just ignore him and maybe he will go away. His life is shit so I guess the only enjoyment he gets is acting superior online and trying to make others as miserable as he is. Sad.
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Oh I done hit the ignore I've seen and dealt with plenty like him
 
#65
He might be annoying but he’s right with the leaf tips, it’s actually shown that not cutting the leafs increases success by x amount of %,

The number 1 thing to increase clones is actually the wc% of your coco Rockwool ect, thts why aero cloners work so well without the dome, it focuses all the moisture to the stem where your trying to draw roots from,

If using rockwool trays use a dome as the moisture will escape the cubes 2 fast, my experience comes from spray cloners
 
#66
Jaden said:
As I was just mentioning, genetics matter here. When you are experiencing failures, adding expense of purchased products, putting in extra/added work on top of the very basic standard ...

(cut at stem, remove any lower leaf or side branch, no leaf tips trimmed, insert into moist media, close lid on the box, low light levels, add water when needed wait 14 days, no mildew, high success rate, healthy clones ready to transplant)

... we need to add the important detail of what type of genetics. We can assume with reasonable confidence that your extras and crutch techniques is whats needed with overworked commercial polyhybrids and is what your technique and knowledge base is hinged on. Genetically inferior/weak plants need that 'extra' input. Which is in contrast to the simplified and basic clonal propagation techniques on higher quality genetics which successfully perform without the additional inputs.

Right?

I've seen it with my own eyes on the polyhybrid I used. But the main difference is I have something other than the amalgamation genetics to compare it to, which perform much better and is easier and simpler.

Small details like that make a difference in peoples understanding. Its now become basic details for accurate understanding and consideration.

Example: On my commercially bred polyhybrids, I need to do these extra steps/use this purchased product to get them to root successfully and have a decent success rate and not get attacked by mildew within 14 days.

Be concise.
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When a strain is absolute fire, has a dank pleasant smell and will knock you into the middle of next week but is extremely difficult to clone, I wouldnt consider that the genetic inferiority you're implying it to be. It's simply a strain with the qualities you were looking for that requires delicate finesse when handling. Maybe a breeder can beef it up after 10 years of reversals and crosses to get the right vigor and resistance without losing the qualities that make the strain so special... And maybe they cant. Until they do, you might want to learn several cloning techniques and not rely on any one, because different strains propagate best under differing conditions and that's something else you're going to pick up on the more you play with these plants. Shit, you mentioned you don't even use rooting hormones. There are some strains that won't do a damn thing for you if you use powder, they want the gel. And there's others that won't do shit unless you exclusively use powder. Then you have growers who figured out this fickleness and double dip with both powder and gel so that they aren't waiting to find out which one the clone prefers... And it WORKS for them.
 
#67
Theres alot goin on here, so Im not sure if it got mentioned...but for this seasons clones I used a heat mat - sped things up a little bit, maybe a day or two.
Ive never used it before and theyve always done fine.
I also tried a slower dome opening this time - after 5 days closed - a few minutes more open per night, building to fully open.
But, again...Ive never done that before and theyve always been fine.
10-12 days Ill some root showing at the bottom of the pot.
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Any time the new process saved me was wasted because it just snowed again today, so they cant go outside yet anyway.
 
#68
NairnM16 said:
He might be annoying but he’s right with the leaf tips, it’s actually shown that not cutting the leafs increases success by x amount of %,

The number 1 thing to increase clones is actually the wc% of your coco Rockwool ect, thts why aero cloners work so well without the dome, it focuses all the moisture to the stem where your trying to draw roots from,

If using rockwool trays use a dome as the moisture will escape the cubes 2 fast, my experience comes from spray cloners
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It absolutely has value. But reading it as gospel throws out 60 years of conventional growing wisdom. The biggest takeaway is that if you snip your leaves, the study shows that it comes with penalty that will work against your success rate. Does that mean never ever snip those tips? It most certainly does not. But if you are going to snip your leaves, you should know WHY you're doing it and not assume it's always necessary. If you can't maintain a perfect microclimate that doesn't have VPD dips, snip your tips. It's a penalty against your success, but the swinging VPD without snipped leaves is an even bigger penalty. So it's the lesser of 2 evils.
 
#69
Jaden said:
I see your herd instincts are strong and you would like to position yourself as the ram amongst the sheep. Lol bruh, that’s cute. You jump in and drop the “I’ve started thousands of clones” flex, then immediately pivot to “there is no difference in rooting, the difference is leaves sitting on top of one another” instead of addressing the actual peer-reviewed cannabis study I just posted. That’s not experience talking. That’s cognitive dissonance doing cartwheels.

You literally just read the results I circled in red. Removing leaf tips had the second greatest effect on rooting success rate. When leaf tips were removed, rooting success rate was lowered from 71 percent to 53 percent. The exact practice you are defending, trimming tips so leaves do not sit on top of one another, is the thing the science shows hurts rooting. Not "no difference". An 18 point drop. And three fully expanded uncut leaves gave 15 percent higher root quality with zero downside. The paper even concludes it is recommended that leaf tips not be cut in cannabis cuttings and at least three fully expanded uncut leaves for maximum success.

Yet here you are still clinging to the old bruh science myth because thousands of clones. That is the dissonance chief. You cannot square your seniority card with the fact that the plants do not care how many times you repeated the same mistake. They only respon to the actual physiology.
You are not protecting new growers from bad advice. You are protecting your ego from data that just proved the long timers have been doing it wrong.
Pride in your work? Cool 😎. Next time try putting that pride into reading the study instead of gatekeeping the forum like it is your personal pasture. The evidence is right there on the page for anyone actually open to learning.
I will keep my leaves intact, my domes sealed, and my success rate. You keep doing you ram. Just do not be surprised when the sheep start noticing the cliff. They are already fleeing towards it in denial, as they just admitted, unable to deal with the reality of facts.
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Lol, cool story bro. You keep reading and I'll keep growing. Thanks
 
#70
Jaden said:
Lol cool story bro right back at ya.
You keep growing like you always have and I’ll keep reading and updating real cannabis research and pulling higher percentages with intact leaves.
One of us is learning. The other is just the ram yelling at the sheep to stay on the old path.
Thanks for the daily entertainment.
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after you have won 3 photo of the month contests here
and keep a stable of 45 moms, come chat with me then
 
#71
he won’t be here long, i’ve had enough of his nonsense,.
some people just can’t be helped,..
 
#74
Jaden said:
It looks like a couple of people may be ready to talk auxins and their role in clonal propagation, growing them roots. But the majority aren't willing to learn, and the herd signaling was bleated for the weak to run and rams to foolishly rush in. Personal attacks are tolerated over real discussion. So yeah. Its a community loss. Thank them.
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I'm game, what do you have to say about the auxin cytokinin handshake?
 
#75
Okay I thumbed through that Canadian study and am ready to summarize some of the key issues I have with it:

Rooting hormones were tested. They used IBA gel and willow extract to compare results. They didn't include IBA powder. This is a huge missed opportunity in the study to directly compare IBA powder vs gel vs willow extract vs placebo.

There is no mention of which strains were used. We can presume they ran a mix of indica, sativa and ruderalis genetics but they never say.

Experiment was limited to a two week time window. This never gave us an opportunity to find out if snipping the leaves was just a time setback penalty or a commitment to ultimate failure.

Cutting location. They determined that it made no difference taking cuts from the to or bottom. One often discussed issue is the high concentration of auxins in plant tops. It doesn't appear that they even tested removing tops to see what effect that had on accelerating the auxin cytokinin handshake. Another missed opportunity in the study.

I didn't do a deep dive, these were the things that were standing out as I perused. It was a limited experiment in a controlled environment and most home growers cannot duplicate that environment.

Some college kids got to play with weed in the school lab. Hopefully they got an A.
 
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