Hello from Oregon and welcome to the Farm. What size fabric pots are you putting those in? I've topped all my outdoor photoperiods and i've got them in 15gal. pots with lots of holes drilled for drainage and airflow. I have indica leaning phenos and tend to like them under 6ft more like 5 1/2 footers. I'm allowed 4 plants legally. I've got 2 GG#4 which i've grown before outdoors and 2 other strains which are new to me with 1 being a mystery seed i kept from someone?? Good luck in your grow and keep us posted.

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Hello from Oregon and welcome to the Farm. What size fabric pots are you putting those in? I've topped all my outdoor photoperiods and i've got them in 15gal. pots with lots of holes drilled for drainage and airflow. I have indica leaning phenos and tend to like them under 6ft more like 5 1/2 footers. I'm allowed 4 plants legally. I've got 2 GG#4 which i've grown before outdoors and 2 other strains which are new to me with 1 being a mystery seed i kept from someone?? Good luck in your grow and keep us posted.

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Thank you for the warm welcome! That made me happy to be a part of the grow family in here. Every outdoor grow when starting from seed like this yr I always start the seeds in a solo cup. The final seed I germinated was on 5/20/26 and that was my Game changer plant which I measured today at 12" tall. Its my smallest plant but it's reported to only be a medium sized plant that looks like an Indica as it's short and stocky. After they outgrow the solo cup is when I transfer them to a 1 gallon fabric pot. Once they've outgrown that 1 gallon pot is when I transplant them for the final time to their permanent home and that's going to either be in a 15 gallon fabric LST training pot,OR I'm contemplating growing all 4 in 25 gallon fabric LST pots. I had my best grow ever back in 2017 when I also grew my biggest plant in the 16 years I've been growing off & on, I'm trying to replicate & surpass all personal records I grew that year and I had 6 plants that yr all grown in 20 gallon regular black pots in pure coco no perlite. I can't seem to find any fabric LST pots in 20 gallons,they go from 10 to 15 gallons and then straight to 25 gallons, 30 gallons,50 gallons,& 100 gallons. I'm trying to cut back on the cost of coco and if I decide to grow in a 25 gallon pot that's 40 extra gallons of coco id need to purchase. If I could find a 20 gallon fabric LST pot id buy them immediately. But I'm probably going to have to settle for 15 gallon pots which means my plants probably won't be nearly as big as they could've been had I gone with the 25 gallon pots per plant. I'm not too sure though if any of my 4 plants are even capable of getting root bound or outgrowing a 15 gallon pot this year due to the fact that I started about 30+ days later than I normally start. I use the whole 420 thing & Ideally by the time 4/20 gets here I like to have all of my plants I'm growing that season already well established and ready to leave them outside 24/7. This was how I grew such huge plants in 2017 in addition to the fact that was at my previous home which had a nice big backyard without ANY trees blocking the light and direct sun was hitting all 6 of those plants from 6 AM til 8 PM so they got 14+ hrs of sunlight per day. I've never grown before at my current residence and there's 3 gigantic red wood trees completely blocking any and all direct sunlight from hitting my plants. So I'm not going to get my hopes up since there's only 1 spot in this backyard where I can fit 4 plants in 15 gallon pots and that direct sunlight only hits my plants from about 11 AM til maybe 3 PM if I'm lucky,the rest is all filtered light. This is very depressing for me as I try to outdo my best record grows every yr that I grow & I had all the tools to do so this year but due to certain circumstances in addition to the blocked light I can't believe I let myself get such a late start. My biggest plant (Rosetta Stoned) was measured at 23" tall today,it has been gaining a good 1" of height per day since I took her out of the solo cup and into the 1 gallon temporarily. I topped it 5 days ago and today was the 1st time I've seen that plant standing up tall w/the leaves all pointed directly to the sky which tells me that it's done with the transplant shock & same w/the HST topping which needs a 1 week recovery time so I think it's redirected it's energy from recovering back to growing rapidly. My 2nd biggest plant this far is the 1st seed I germinated on 5/1/26. It's in pure coco amended w/earthworm castings and zero perlite. I don't like using much perlite at all bcuz I actually dont want my plant to hold onto water for slower release,as it is I feed w/every watering and I only water in about 50% the pots capacity. This keeps the roots wet but not soaked and they get a big healthy amount of oxygen this way. Plus I let my coco get bone dry before I feed/water again. For the 2 in 1 gallon pots at that rate I'm feeding them every other day to every 2 days at the most & I'm a believer in making those roots stretch and grow looking for the water they are beginning to deseperetly need & IMO this keeps the plants growing at the most rapid and vigorous rate possible. Anyway that's about all I got for updates right now. I topped the 2 plants that are still in solo cups just yesterday as they were both sitting on 7 nodes. I'm gna give them a week to recover,then I'm transferring them into 1 gallon pots where the growing should really start to pick up, that should be the next set of pics I take will be the 2 that will be newly in their next temporary home and then I'll take a pic of all 4 and do a lil measurement on all 4 to see if growth rate has changed on any of them. Thanks again for the warm welcome and sorry for writing a novel

So my grow started out really well,then all of a sudden I woke up to go feed my plants about 8 days ago and I took 1 look at all 4 plants and they all had about 5 yellow leaves & a few of them were burnt. I figured since the yellow leaves were all on the bottom of each plant & only 2 plants had burn marks on leaves that I was bringing inside the house once the sun was no longer on my plants so I'd bring em in to get them a full 24 hrs of light since I started this grow season about 7-8 weeks later than usual which is why ny my plants are so tiny. The biggest plant is only about 25" tall & that's my Rosetta Stoned plant which has been my biggest plant from day 1. Its growing tall & I topped it about 10-11 days ago just 5 days ago I started lightly training them by just tying down long branches to try & open up the rest of the bud spots on only the top half of the plant. My 2nd biggest plant is my Ocifer plant. It was only 2-3 inches shorter than my Rosetta Stoned but it's much busier & has ALOT more bud sites. My Rosetta Stoned plant seems sick or something. I stripped all the old yellow leaves off & those are the pics of the yellow leaves i took & posted on here... Im not sure what the actual correct diagnosis was as to what was up with all 4 plants. They've all been topped once. Ive tied down the main cola on each plant & since I did that in addition to changing up my feeding nutes after finding out that I may very well have been not feeding them enough nitrogen since my dumbass didn't realize that the main base veg nute was an additive to a more potent nute which I've since fixed.. I'm also pretty sure another possible reason for the yellow leaves on the bottom of all my plants in addition to the stunted growth (my current healthiest plant was 7" tall 11 days ago),i measured its height right before I tied it down & in 11 days it only grew 4 1/2 inches in height), but I fear nute lockout which I've never experienced before but i made 2 batches of nutes where no matter what I did i could not hey the pH to get any higher then a 4.5. Immediately after mixing my nutes initially and taking the original pH reading and they all came back as a 4.0... it doesn't take very much pH up to get the pH to go from a 4.0 to an 8+ so I made sure & only put about 3-4 drops of pH and I've never seen 4 drops of pH up do absolutely nothing to the pH ,so 4 more times I gave it 5 drops and still no change so I finally gave up because its impossible to put well over 2 TBSPN and the pH not go up at all. My 3 other plants aside from my Game Changer plant only grew 2"-3" inches in 11 days, that's horrible, I've had rapid growing plants that had insane growth spurt weeks where I had plants grow 15+" in 7 days.. Luckily it looks like my plants are starting to bounce back mainly my Ocifer,my Game Changer plant, and my Durban Nights plant (tied for the smallest plant in height but ever since I started feeding with new nutes and about 7 days ago i top dressed w/earthworm castings & topped each plant then top dressed again yesterday w/Earthworm castings and again 3 of my 4 plants have bounced back amazingly w/all new green foliage with no brown marks on yellowing leaves & those 3 have grown a bunch of new bud sites,but my Rosetta Stoned still isn't growing any new leaves,no new bud sites, it's not even growing in 2 main branches after I topped it and i let it grow to 7 nodes before I topped it,did the same thing with the other 3 and just off topping the main top of the main stem and they grew back more than 2 new main branches which I've never seen before. Anyways 2-3 weeks ago on my last update I was extremely pleased w/my tall Rosetta Stoned before I topped it expecting it to be bushy and tall come harvest day but im so disappointed in the stunted growth & it's just shedding off it's yellow leaves but not growing in ANY new healthy foliage to the point that I'm highly considering mainlining it, I've watched a million vids on how to do it & I've only attempted it once on a small clone once 5 years ago and had a successful grow, harvest, and yield on that plant. My hesitation to mainlining my tall Rosetta Stoned is that it has about 12 nodes now and I have no idea how to main line when your plant already has 12 nodes & has only been topped once on the main stem... Can anyone help me understand how my Rosetta Stoned started out light years ahead of my other 3 plants and now its completely stunted & hasn't gained even 1 new healthy leaf grown back in almost 2 weeks & is officially my most unhealthy plant while the other 3 got over the potential nitrogen deficiency or nute lockout from the messed up pH.... Thanks everyone

That Rosetta Stoned looks like it got stacked with too many stresses at once, not like it needs to be mainlined. The old lowers in the pics are already spent, yellow with necrotic burn through the blade, and the newer tips still look alive. To me that points more toward a root-zone/feed-pH crash than a simple nitrogen shortage.

That pH story is the big red flag. If a batch reads 4.0 and two tablespoons of pH up barely moves it, either the meter is lying, the probe needs calibration/storage solution, or something in the mix is way out of whack. I wouldn't feed another plant from a mix like that. Calibrate with 4.0 and 7.0 solution or at least check against drops, then mix fresh. In coco I'd want the feed around 5.8-6.1 and I would pH after everything is in the water, not before. If the batch won't behave, dump it.

I also wouldn't mainline that plant right now. Mainlining a stressed 12-node plant means cutting off a lot of leaf surface it needs to recover. Let her push clean new growth first. No more topping, no more hard bends, just loose ties if you need to keep her open. Once the top starts moving again you can decide what shape to keep, but right now every cut is another delay.

The three that bounced back are telling you the issue was probably fixable. Rosetta may just have less root reserve after the transplant/top/LST plus low-pH feed. Check runoff EC/pH if you can, reset with a light balanced feed, and judge only the new growth. Those damaged lowers won't turn green again.