I need a diagnosis, whats the problem?

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I cant seem to get a straight answer for this, whats wrong with my leaves. and most importantly, how do I fix it.

here are the conditions: I'm growing in plain coco, 400 watt hps, 2 fans and 1 170 cfm exhaust, average temp 75-80, average humid 50-60. bought clones less then 3 weeks ago, so they are less then a month old.

I am a newer grower so I had to learn the hard way about how well plain coco retains water. they have been over watered but they have been let to dry for about 4 days now. tomorrow, it should be dry enough to water again. I fed it foxfarm big bloom for its last feeding, as per it's normal instructions. They were also transplanted just before it's last feeding so it has slight stress symptoms. I'm following the foxfarm feeding schedule(not everything on it, but the major ones). I just gave them a light foliar feeding with B-52(out of the light of corse).

any ideas, suggestions, and/or advice?:character0029:
 
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Maybe a pic of the top and whole plant might help.
 
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The stems also look purple. Not a good thing. Do you have a PH meter? If not you need one. Coco needs to be around 5.5-6 in PH
I would not feed them again. I would flush with PH'd water at 5.6 untill your runoff water is close to that.
I used to use Fox Farm nutes. I remember they would be high in PH untill I added PH down. You need some way to test the PH in order to know how much of the PH down or up you need.
By keep adding food will not fix your problem. After you flush the Coco. Wait a day or so untill your next feed. When you do feed again, Go about half of what you did last time. You Always need to PH your nutes before you feed your plants.
 
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Smokey503ski said:
The stems also look purple. Not a good thing. Do you have a PH meter? If not you need one. Coco needs to be around 5.5-6 in PH
I would not feed them again. I would flush with PH'd water at 5.6 untill your runoff water is close to that.
I used to use Fox Farm nutes. I remember they would be high in PH untill I added PH down. You need some way to test the PH in order to know how much of the PH down or up you need.
By keep adding food will not fix your problem. After you flush the Coco. Wait a day or so untill your next feed. When you do feed again, Go about half of what you did last time. You Always need to PH your nutes before you feed your plants.
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my pH is at a high 6, I can flush them no problem they were going to get straight water tomorrow anyway. what can I do about the purple stems? I've recently moved my light closer(10-14'' from plants) after adding a fan. as I mentioned before, I started using B-52 as a foliar spray too (just a little and only once so far). I think the stunted growth is my fault from over watering coco. now I'm focused on fixing my problems with the leaves. these brown spots are my biggest problems. they've killed off a lot of leaves on different plants.
 
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I'll second the pH/ppm meter,, they're not cheap but definitely a must have. We have the Bluelab combo meter and its so easy not to have to use 2 separate meters. Now, on to what I think may be the issue. Have you noticed any pest problems? Your clones are young so I don't think flyers would be visible yet, so check the top inch or two of your coco. Dig around a little by the inside rim of your pot and look very closely for tiny fast moving crawlies. I had root aphids and the leaves looked just like yours. I hope its not the RA, but if so you may be able to get rid of them before the problem becomes a nightmare. Good Luck!
 
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lil miss lone said:
I'll second the pH/ppm meter,, they're not cheap but definitely a must have. We have the Bluelab combo meter and its so easy not to have to use 2 separate meters. Now, on to what I think may be the issue. Have you noticed any pest problems? Your clones are young so I don't think flyers would be visible yet, so check the top inch or two of your coco. Dig around a little by the inside rim of your pot and look very closely for tiny fast moving crawlies. I had root aphids and the leaves looked just like yours. I hope its not the RA, but if so you may be able to get rid of them before the problem becomes a nightmare. Good Luck!
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I have a ph/moisture meeter. the same one seen in half of all gardens. the pH is on the high side not nothing crazy high, probably like 6.7. no sign of any bugs. I did get a moth once but I think he just followed me in.
 
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6.7 WTF??? And you are wondering why you are having problems. Read what I first wrote again. You are way too high in PH for Coco. I said around 5.5-6 in Coco. In soil you want the higher PH
Also those ph/moisture meters are not accurate at all. You need a real PH meter or you can get the liquid drop stuff to measure out. Those work better than your current meter.
Lower your PH to 5.6 and keep it there. Run your nutes at half strength untill they get in better health.
Also tell us how you are filling your res? If you just dump the nutes in and then ad water you will have nutrient fallout. You need to fill your res with water first to about 3/4 and then add 1 nute at a time, ad more water and so on utill it is full. If you do not know what nutrient fallout is, Google it
 
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Smokey503ski said:
6.7 WTF??? And you are wondering why you are having problems. Read what I first wrote again. You are way too high in PH for Coco. I said around 5.5-6 in Coco. In soil you want the higher PH
Also those ph/moisture meters are not accurate at all. You need a real PH meter or you can get the liquid drop stuff to measure out. Those work better than your current meter.
Lower your PH to 5.6 and keep it there. Run your nutes at half strength untill they get in better health.
Also tell us how you are filling your res? If you just dump the nutes in and then ad water you will have nutrient fallout. You need to fill your res with water first to about 3/4 and then add 1 nute at a time, ad more water and so on utill it is full. If you do not know what nutrient fallout is, Google it
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I was under the impression that 6-6.5 is standard for coco soiless soil. I didn't think 6.7 was extreme. if the drop pH test is better then I have no problem changing up. I'm sure there not that expensive. I keep a 20 gal trash can(never been used for trash) filled with pH water to about 6.0 - 6.5. I use mostly drinking water from arrowhead jugs and 1/4 tap water, I let my tap water sit out for a day for the chlorine to evaporate. I add my nutrients into the watering can just before I water. I didn't find out until recently that I should pH after adding nut., it's not the best way to learn this lesson but it is learned. I'll put up some pics in the next day or 2, to show improvement or disappointment.
 
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Dont worry bout it bro,theres always next time. Your plants look like there starving. Get your ph straight theyll come around.
 
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yeah get your ph in check and feed them a little more. and watch the new growth you should not have no purpleing it should all be green. also them look like they may have been over watered too. i know its coco and they some say u really cant over water but can. next time wait untill they are a little bigger before you put them in those pots.
 
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xX Kid Twist Xx said:
yeah get your ph in check and feed them a little more. and watch the new growth you should not have no purpleing it should all be green. also them look like they may have been over watered too. i know its coco and they some say u really cant over water but can. next time wait untill they are a little bigger before you put them in those pots.
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yeah, they got hella over watered. their next watering is going to be plain water to bring down the soil pH, and the next feeding is when they get a bigger feeding as per the fox farm feeding schedule. my wack ass transplanting skills is one of the reasons they look so flimsy. but now that their settled and I'm not over watering, they should start to improve
 
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Have these even grown at all since you transplanted them? There looking pretty sad and since you picked them up from a dispensary and the fact that your a rookie,you might want to pick up some more clones and start over if they don't perk up in the next few days.Start over before you waste any more time or money on these and learn from your mistakes,it's only been a couple weeks and they don't seem to be going anywhere,so it's best to start over IMVHO!!
 
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Make sure you PH your only water feed. Tap water or Bottled water is around 6.5-7.2 PH. That is why I say to lower it to 5.6 or close to it.
I really suggest you check the PH of your runoff and keep watering untill you get the PH you are watering.
Another thing which brand of Coco are you using? Alot of them have high PPM level's straight out of the bag. I have tested some at 2000 PPM's and the lowest that I have used is 50ppm's out of the bag.
Another thing also is Pre-Charging your Coco before you use it.
 
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Smokey503ski said:
Make sure you PH your only water feed. Tap water or Bottled water is around 6.5-7.2 PH. That is why I say to lower it to 5.6 or close to it.
I really suggest you check the PH of your runoff and keep watering untill you get the PH you are watering.
Another thing which brand of Coco are you using? Alot of them have high PPM level's straight out of the bag. I have tested some at 2000 PPM's and the lowest that I have used is 50ppm's out of the bag.
Another thing also is Pre-Charging your Coco before you use it.
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"whistling sounds"... your talking a lingo above my level man. the brand of coco I'm using is cocogro. as far as the ppm testing, I haven't been able to find a tester I can afford. with only 10 plants, I thought I'd skip on that tester for now. and the pre-charging thing... I heard about something like that but I know nothing of it. :bongsmi:
 
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I'm going to go look for my spare PPM meter. You can have it if I can find it. Otherwise you can find them for around $40 for a cheapy.
Pre-charging Coco in my way is watering the Coco with PH'd water untill the runoff is around 5.6 Then I decide where I want my PPM's to be, this is where it get's a little tricky and I am ripped so try and follow. If the first week of Veg is calling for around 600 PPM's of nutes, I will make a batch around 1000 PPM's. Water the Coco again with that higher nute PPM's untill the runoff is around 600 PPM's.
From my experience doing this allows the Coco to absorb the higher amount of nutes. Coco is sort of like a sponge. It holds more water at first than Nutes if you were to feed it your regular amount at first.
Sorry this is sounding so confusing.
 
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I'm going to go look for my spare PPM meter. You can have it if I can find it. Otherwise you can find them for around $40 for a cheapy.
Pre-charging Coco in my way is watering the Coco with PH'd water untill the runoff is around 5.6 Then I decide where I want my PPM's to be, this is where it get's a little tricky and I am ripped so try and follow. If the first week of Veg is calling for around 600 PPM's of nutes, I will make a batch around 1000 PPM's. Water the Coco again with that higher nute PPM's untill the runoff is around 600 PPM's.
From my experience doing this allows the Coco to absorb the higher amount of nutes. Coco is sort of like a sponge. It holds more water at first than Nutes if you were to feed it your regular amount at first.
Sorry this is sounding so confusing.
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no worries. everything helps. as you can see from my pics, trail and error is costly without guidance. I was just looking at ppm meters, most was over $100 except for 1 that is like $17, which I don't trust cause it's the only one I saw under $90, and thats a big drop compared to all other ones. I'll gladly accept any thing you have to offer but I still don't think it's too pressing with such a low number of plants. either way, I'm happy as long as my girls are happy.:rauch08:
 
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This isnt the greatest, but its a Hanna TDS meter for 15 bucks
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shit man, if can see that any one who could call them selfs a reputable grower would use it, I'll buy it tomorrow. everyday I'm reading more and more about ppm, so far it's mostly emphasized in hydro gardens, but it's become pretty apparent that I need one for soiless soil too
 
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