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Vick_Vinegar · Apr 29, 2026

Redneckx said:
Normal chlorosis is a n Def, complete leafs are yellowing.

Y mean the interveinal chlorosis. That's how it look like.
This could also have different reasons, if y say that it's recycled soil and y get that every time, don't depend on the light, then it's probably a nute Lockout, due to wrong pH. Feeding more Epsom could make it worse.
Overwatering also lead to that problem.
Watch her closely if it getting worse, stop feeding calmag.
Got anything to check the ph and or to correct it?

Ph is fine...I do a slurry before I plant. Slurry comes back at 6 flat, pH going in is 6.5, comes out at 6.1.

I pH all me water and check the pH before planting but just seems to be a constant with recycled medium.

Has been happenening for three years on my end.. they move fine and pick up about week 3ish usually so I don't try chase it anymore.

Always does my head in that I can't put a finger on what causes it with recycled medium so I'll probably just mix up another 60L medium and bin all the recycled stuff again.

Has been a constant in recycled medium, but nothing that really slows the plant down as I'm pumping out the 6th/7th mode over 19 days so seems normal.

It's crazy as the only thing I re-amend with is a cup of palagonite, 2L worm castings, 1/2 cup Neem meal, 1/2 cup kelp meal and 1/3 cup alfalfa per 50L cook so it's odd that this happens every time.

If I don't re-amend I just end up with normal yellowing. To me it looks like acidic root zone but every parameter comes back fine.

Vick_Vinegar · Apr 29, 2026

@Redneckx my tap comes out at around pH 8.7. I don't add any cal mag to the feed, have just done two foliar sprays.

The water is just plain tap water at EC 0.5-0.6 and a touch of 85% phosphoric acid for now to get it to between 6.5-7.0.

GasPlease · Apr 29, 2026

Vick_Vinegar said:
@Redneckx my tap comes out at around pH 8.7. I don't add any cal mag to the feed, have just done two foliar sprays.

The water is just plain tap water at EC 0.5-0.6 and a touch of 85% phosphoric acid for now to get it to between 6.5-7.0.

How long are you cooking the soil? Are you using any bennies? Do you now whats in your tap? High cal?

GasPlease · Apr 29, 2026

High cal could be locking out mag but you should see improvements with the epsom.

I think your soil isnt ready for planting either the cook or not enough life in the soil. Thats why they grow out of it in a few weeks because the soil finally catches up.

Vick_Vinegar · Apr 29, 2026

GasPlease said:
High cal could be locking out mag but you should see improvements with the epsom.

I think your soil isnt ready for planting either the cook or not enough life in the soil. Thats why they grow out of it in a few weeks because the soil finally catches up.

I was thinking that as I don't usually cook long. Only 2-3 weeks most of the time. Seems to be a ton of life In there cause if I re amend the mix gets hot within two days and there are a ton of white mycelium strands and fuzz all over the top of the medium.

This spoon had been in the medium bin for 18 hours after mixing and was covered In microbial life..

The tap has a shit ton of calcium, and they recently added something to raise the pH more as they want to cut down in pipe maintenance (used to be around 7.7 at EC 0.5, now high 8s). Our shower heads cake up with carbonate all the time, and come to think of it the palagonite has a bit of calcium too.

I use granular mykos and bacillus mixed in the medium at potting and I'll add root roids (1.5-0.5-3) inoculation weekly from the second week.

GasPlease · Apr 29, 2026

Vick_Vinegar said:
I was thinking that as I don't usually cook long. Only 2-3 weeks most of the time.

This is probably good in my experience

Vick_Vinegar said:
The tap has a shit ton of calcium, and they recently added something to raise the pH more as they want to cut down in pipe maintenance (used to be around 7.7 at EC 0.5, now high 8s). Our shower heads cake up with carbonate all the time, and come to think of it the palagonite has a bit of calcium too.

You could be having a lockout. Cal and mag need to be in the correct ratio for the plant to use it. Foliar spray bypasses that so you should see pretty quick results if its the issue.

Vick_Vinegar said:
I use granular mykos and bacillus mixed in the medium at potting and I'll add root roids (1.5-0.5-3) inoculation weekly from the second week.

You might not have enough microbes in the soil to process everything. Sounds like youre double dipping there and only focused on the roots. Get you a complete microbe inoculate maybe recharge or rootwise microbe complete. I recently switched to rootwise and I like what Im seeing this first run with it. Mykos and rootwise will get just about everything you need.

MileHiGhost · Apr 29, 2026

Which is why I don't do soil. If I see something wrong I change water and I am done with it!

GasPlease · Apr 29, 2026

Vick_Vinegar said:
This spoon had been in the medium bin for 18 hours after mixing and was covered In microbial life..

That spoon is covered but it doesnt mean its covered with the right workers for the job. Mykos and root roids are mainly fungi aimed at root development. You need a complex mix of bacteria and fungi for the long term processing.

Vick_Vinegar · Apr 29, 2026

GasPlease said:
That spoon is covered but it doesnt mean its covered with the right workers for the job. Mykos and root roids are mainly fungi aimed at root development. You need a complex mix of bacteria and fungi for the long term processing.

Neat. I've been under the assumption the fresh castings/ insect frass would be loaded with microbes but I'll look into something a bit more full spectrum.

GasPlease · Apr 29, 2026

GasPlease said:
Mykos and rootwise will get just about everything you need.

I read up on root roids and Id probably pick that over mykos.

Vick_Vinegar · Apr 29, 2026

GasPlease said:
I read up on root roids and Id probably pick that over mykos.

I use these three. The original for weekly watering and the granular is at original potting and potting up.

GasPlease · Apr 29, 2026

Vick_Vinegar said:
I use these three. The original for weekly watering and the granular is at original potting and potting up.
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I'll read on the different kinds. Insect frass wasnt on the list above, if youre using both at good ratios you technically dont need more microbes. 2L ewc in 50L mix is kinda light. This might not even be your problem I was just offering my 2 cents.

Vick_Vinegar · Apr 29, 2026

GasPlease said:
I'll read on the different kinds. Insect frass wasnt on the list above, if youre using both at good ratios you technically dont need more microbes. 2L ewc in 50L mix is kinda light. This might not even be your problem I was just offering my 2 cents.

The frass comes mixed with the fresh castings

Redneckx · Apr 30, 2026

Vick_Vinegar said:
@Redneckx my tap comes out at around pH 8.7. I don't add any cal mag to the feed, have just done two foliar sprays.

The water is just plain tap water at EC 0.5-0.6 and a touch of 85% phosphoric acid for now to get it to between 6.5-7.0.

Man I thought my tap water is hard...~8ph here.
I am not measuring anything and not really into microbes & stuff lately, you're in the best hands with gas and others. So I take my foot outta here.

Vick_Vinegar said:
I was thinking that as I don't usually cook long. Only 2-3 weeks most of the time. Seems to be a ton of life In there cause if I re amend the mix gets hot within two days and there are a ton of white mycelium strands and fuzz all over the top of the medium.
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This spoon had been in the medium bin for 18 hours after mixing and was covered In microbial life..
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The tap has a shit ton of calcium, and they recently added something to raise the pH more as they want to cut down in pipe maintenance (used to be around 7.7 at EC 0.5, now high 8s). Our shower heads cake up with carbonate all the time, and come to think of it the palagonite has a bit of calcium too.

I use granular mykos and bacillus mixed in the medium at potting and I'll add root roids (1.5-0.5-3) inoculation weekly from the second week.

What a fungi growth
A lot stuff y throw in your soil, that would cost a fortune!
I hope for ya to get that dialed in, so it's worth the efforts and moneY!

TerpBeans · Apr 30, 2026

Have another 2-3 weeks on this Skunk, fairing well considering the UV damage from a month ago!

Berniemac · Apr 30, 2026

Coconutz said:
Good idea I'll keep it aside and pollinate a few buds on a bx and F3 assuming there's a female of each

Let me know how that goes

MileHiGhost · Apr 30, 2026

Redneckx said:
A friend of mine just got a critical+ going, which shows that trait.
Should we take clones? Guess it's not really worth it, or what would y say?
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I take a clone of every plant the week I switch to bloom. If it's a rockstar I pop less beans next crop..

Coconutz · May 1, 2026

Berniemac said:
Let me know how that goes

I will do bro, at the moment I've cut the two back to the lowest least progress and put them in the corner, I've kept that one shown + a the bx male

Have a nice weekend everyone

Berniemac · May 1, 2026

Coconutz said:
I will do bro, at the moment I've cut the two back to the lowest least progress and put them in the corner, I've kept that one shown + a the bx male

Have a nice weekend everyone

Like you said before hopefully you get a female, to have something to pollinate it with! Good luck homie

Coconutz · May 1, 2026

So it's been a busy week most of them are back on track there's a couple of awkward females but that's expected

The clones and mum's look lush I'm pleased with those and the Hsc blueberry muffin.

Blueberry muffin....note to self it's regular!!

Sagarmartha blueberry
They're nice plants they had potential to be eye catching they've a good build, node spacing and height.

Bodhi blueberry
I put the 2x blue digiberry together in 1 pot that left me a spare air pot so I put that Bodhi blueberry in it, the lights on anyway

Lemon cherry gelato mum

Lemon cherry gelato clone #2

Lemon cherry gelato clone #1

Blue digiberry f3 I'm fairly sure 2 are females and I think the 3rd is female, she's a wee bit rough looking I'm kinda hoping it picks up.

The other one doesn't look bad all considered.

The 1 in the back right corner isn't doing great either, I can see a slight improvement but again not quite what I hoping for it doesn't want to green up?

I don't think I got a fair representation of the blueberry strains I grew I think the multitude of problems + getting left way too long didn't help anything.

I've put in the 4x blueberry clones I originally potted up with intension of growing them again based on the smell, if it gets too much I've a Mars Hydro idk? it's 300w about 1ft x 4ft I can put in...or chuck some our that's an option but I'm going to try to tough it out 1 more time...ha that old chestnut

Have a nice weekend guys 🕊

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