120-60-300-120-60-177.2 Nutrient Tutorial, or, My Thread Can Beat Up Your Thread.

El Cerebro · Sep 19, 2012

i'm tired of all these snake-oil juices, switching over to just straight magic instead, much cheaper.

1971 · Sep 19, 2012

how do you figure? straight up magic is way more expensive!

Capulator · Sep 19, 2012

El Cerebro · Sep 19, 2012

CONFIDENTIALITY BRO! (i thought we agreed to never show faces or vids from the wizzard clubhouse?)

squarepusher · Sep 19, 2012

believe snowstorm is triacontanol , along with potassium. An Alfalfa extract will have the same ingredient.

If its not that, then it has to be some banned/shady PGR's unlisted

1971 · Sep 19, 2012

you can but Tria on ebay or amazon and save yourself a bundle. don't forget to order up some polysorbate 20 to dissolve it in

Mississip Hip · Sep 20, 2012

So nobody double checks their solutions with anything but math?

The CA website has nothing of use. It wont show proprietary substances.

Following what they have listed is no promise that you are copying the original.

So is anybody having there elemental profiles verified?

Firm Name EMERALD TRIANGLE
License ID # 13023
Product Name Humboldt Countys Own Snow Storm Ultra
Type of Fertilizing Material Specialty Fertilizer
Is this an Organic Input Material (OIM)? No
Registration ID# 169930
Status New

Guaranteed Analysis(%)
Primary Nutrient
Total Nitrogen (N)
Available Phosphoric Acid (P2O5)
Soluble Potash (K2O) 3

Secondary Nutrient
Calcium (Ca)
Magnesium (Mg)
Sulfur (S)
Guaranteed Analysis(%)
Micro Nutrient
Boron (B)
Chlorine (Cl)
Cobalt (Co)
Copper (Cu)
Iron (Fe)
Manganese (Mn)
Molybdenum (Mo)
Sodium (Na)
Zinc (Zn)
Heavy Metals (ppm)
Analysis
Arsenic (As)
Cadmium (Cd)
Cobalt (Co)
Copper (Cu)
Lead (Pb)
Mercury (Hg)
Molybdenum (Mo)
Nickel (Ni)
Selenium (Se)

Legend:
BDL - Below Detection Level
ND - None Detected

Thats it!.....kinda shabby.

Mississip Hip · Sep 20, 2012

LOL......

Snake oil?

So you never tried it?o_O

So if its tria....then why isn't it listed?

Jokes but no real answers?.....lol......thats cool. I gotta great sense of humor.... :D

Mississip Hip · Sep 20, 2012

This is the CAgov website info on Gravity....they dont tell much. If this is what you are going by....you have ZERO idea if you are replicating a particular product. No Alar listed.....lol....imagine that.

Firm Name EMERALD TRIANGLE
License ID # 13023
Product Name HUMBOLDT COUNTYS OWN GRAVITY FLOWER FINISHER 0-0.1-0
Type of Fertilizing Material Specialty Fertilizer
Is this an Organic Input Material (OIM)? No
Registration ID# 191751
Status Cancel

Guaranteed Analysis(%)
Primary Nutrient
Total Nitrogen (N)
Available Phosphoric Acid (P2O5) 0.1
Soluble Potash (K2O)

Secondary Nutrient
Calcium (Ca)
Magnesium (Mg)
Sulfur (S)
Guaranteed Analysis(%)
Micro Nutrient
Boron (B)
Chlorine (Cl)
Cobalt (Co)
Copper (Cu)
Iron (Fe)
Manganese (Mn)
Molybdenum (Mo)
Sodium (Na)
Zinc (Zn)
Heavy Metals (ppm)
Analysis
Arsenic (As)
Cadmium (Cd)
Cobalt (Co)
Copper (Cu)
Lead (Pb)
Mercury (Hg)
Molybdenum (Mo)
Nickel (Ni)
Selenium (Se)

Legend:
BDL - Below Detection Level
ND - None Detected

1971 · Sep 20, 2012

maybe it was the washington or oregon states that was more restrictive and therefore why some nute companies don't sell there.

my understanding also is that a lot of the nutrient mixes aren't even accurate from the various manufacturers.

if people knew how simple it can be to mix up their own concentrated nutrients, you'd never go back. shit, for a couple hundred bucks in salts, you can make enough for a year. Jacks is certainly a nice fallback

Mississip Hip · Sep 20, 2012

I know.....

hence the question....

How do you KNOW you are reproducing something?.....without testing the original, I cant see how its possible.

1971 · Sep 20, 2012

nothing stays a secret long and there is nothing that a nutrient company puts in their solution that wasn't discovered somewhere else or has been around for awhile. hydro companies aren't innovators in any way... just profiteers.

honestly, i don't try to reproduce anything accurately other than Spurr's formula's. the only additives i use are some kelp and humic acid and i foliar every week with a 25ppm solution of Triacontanol. the only thing i'd consider trying would be Capit's bennies

but i grow in rockwool and don't want to run much more than that.

as a point of reference, it took me about 1.5 hrs to mix up 3 3gal concentrated solutions. (an A+B+C) the only reason it took that long is that i find heating up the water makes it easier to dissolve everything. that will give me about 7 40 gal reservoirs worth of nutrients at around a 1.7ec.

juggernaut · Sep 20, 2012

Anyone recomend a good scale for weighing your salts/nutes?

1971 · Sep 20, 2012

i use 3 different ones. a jewelry scale for the smaller stuff and then an ohaus for the higher weights. you can pick a decent scale up off amazon for under $60 that will go up to around 16lbs. just make sure you have weights to calibrate

Capulator · Sep 20, 2012

it's oregon. They are the ones who require everything to be listed.

Mississip Hip said:
I know.....

hence the question....

How do you KNOW you are reproducing something?.....without testing the original, I cant see how its possible.

juggernaut said:
Anyone recomend a good scale for weighing your salts/nutes?

ohaus triple beam dial-o-gram

1971 · Sep 20, 2012

i personally would not get a triple beam, more for liability reasons, but i did spend more on my digital ohaus.

you'd still need a jewelry scale but there are lots out there for under 30 bucks.

Capulator · Sep 20, 2012

1971 said:
i personally would not get a triple beam, more for liability reasons, but i did spend more on my digital ohaus.

you'd still need a jewelry scale but there are lots out there for under 30 bucks.

liability?

A scales a scale... no?

El Cerebro · Sep 20, 2012

need .01 to weigh out triac and iba

1971 · Sep 20, 2012

in california you gotta be careful when growing commercially even with scripts. triple beams, lots of zip loc's, etc, will give them cause

you don't need a scale with Triac as they usually give you a measuring cup and i make about a gallons worth at 25-50ppm

El Cerebro · Sep 20, 2012

measuring cup? what form is it in? mine is a 99% powder, but honestly i haven't used it much yet (was finishing off a bottle of magic juice first). all products with alfalfa on their oregon list are using it as a triac source to get around epa regs. same with 'kelp', for cytokinins. afraid we just have to experiment with amounts though (unless someone wants to pay for analysis and report back, sorry too $$ for my tight budgert).

120-60-300-120-60-177.2 Nutrient Tutorial, or, My Thread Can Beat Up Your Thread.

120-60-300-120-60-177.2 Nutrient Tutorial, or, My Thread Can Beat Up Your Thread.

El Cerebro

1971

Capulator

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El Cerebro

squarepusher

1971

Mississip Hip

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Mississip Hip

1971

Mississip Hip

1971

juggernaut

1971

Capulator

likes to smell trees.

1971

Capulator

likes to smell trees.

El Cerebro

1971

El Cerebro

120-60-300-120-60-177.2 Nutrient Tutorial, or, My Thread Can Beat Up Your Thread.

120-60-300-120-60-177.2 Nutrient Tutorial, or, My Thread Can Beat Up Your Thread.

El Cerebro

1971

Capulator

likes to smell trees.

El Cerebro

squarepusher

1971

Mississip Hip

Mississip Hip

Mississip Hip

1971

Mississip Hip

1971

juggernaut

1971

Capulator

likes to smell trees.

1971

Capulator

likes to smell trees.

El Cerebro

1971

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