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Would you join in on a 2024 ONE GALLON CHALLANGE

  • Yes

    Votes: 41 87.2%
  • No

    Votes: 5 10.6%
  • I’d like to discuss other pot size options for the challange

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • Total voters
    47
  • Poll closed Jul 3, 2024.

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I think he ment more “ how is it going to make a difference” that was my interpretation: )

Ill let him answer for himself though
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Yea I got that. Lol I'm a curious sort. Just wondering why he might think that. Could be a chance to learn something.
 
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What is your concern with adding perlite? I'm curious about your thinking is in relation to using a self watering system.
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I think he ment more “ how is it going to make a difference” that was my interpretation: )

Ill let him answer for himself though
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I don't really know if what I'm thinking is correct
With SIP, you don't water from the top and it only keeps the bottom 1/3 of the pot wet and it doesn't drain the water it takes up so don't need the additional drainage. Perlite will give some air space so could still be beneficial for oxygen.
 
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I don't really know if what I'm thinking is correct
With SIP, you don't water from the top and it only keeps the bottom 1/3 of the pot wet and it doesn't drain the water it takes up so don't need the additional drainage. Perlite will give some air space so could still be beneficial for oxygen.
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hahaha! I was just going out on a limb there : ) I hear you. My thought was it could potentially make it harder for the water to wick up? just dont know lol. Thats why I tagged Mikedin earlier, maybe hes got an idea to get the ball rolling : )
 
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Yea I got that. Lol I'm a curious sort. Just wondering why he might think that. Could be a chance to learn something.
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Absolutely great opportunity to learn : ) im very interested in this topic as im wanting to change up my entire medium situation in the coming months (life permitting) and I know NOTHING about the pro mix. I like how you prompted some good convo! ✌
 
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hahaha! I was just going out on a limb there : ) I hear you. My thought was it could potentially make it harder for the water to wick up? just dont know lol. Thats why I tagged Mikedin earlier, maybe hes got an idea to get the ball rolling : )
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Searching……
 
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This one gallon challenge has me thinking that many 1 gallon pots is the way to go
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Only reason not to is plant count, larger pots take way more veg time, if I wan flip fast I’ll run 3 gallon plastic pots flip quick and fill the tent, or I’ll hit the 12 gallon veg a month longer and fill a 4x4 but then you’re a month behind either way, I don’t mind it but yeah smaller pots and SOG is the quickest way to fill a tent
 
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Can not compute!
 
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@Mikedin, nice root mass. How close is that fabric pot to a true (US) gallon?

I still need to find a final container for mine. I am a little reluctant on fabric this small, because I cannot always be there everyday to water, and worry about too much dry back Do the gorilla bags have the plastic liners on sides?
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No but they are thick as FUCK like, 3x as thick as any other bags I have, I up potted a few days ago and she’s still good, looks heavy but she’s stretched an inch in each node and I’m catchin her right at lights out so I’ll see tomorrow on my submisssion day

I’m sure she’ll be a daily waterer late in flower but that’s about what I can give her haha, so we’ll see but they are defenitly heavy duty as hell and I’ll buy the 3’s or 7’s next i like larger pots but I think 12 gals is a touch overboard for the tents 5’s are nice (5gallon buckets not pots) but can get down to a daily waterer with bigger plants, 7’s to me seem like they may be the sweet spot
 
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BearWater said:
I have only searched this stuff : ) could there be a difference in amount of perlite in the different mixes? I think you, GNick, and Mikedin are all use the different kinds hahaha!

Yeah man Im not sure either, I had to go look SIP up I can only speculate at this point what it would or wouldn’t do. Im tagging @Mikedin to get his opinion if he feels like giving it : )
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Yes it’s one of the main differences lol, I believe the HP Nick uses has more perlite than the BX I use I add about 30% perlite to my mix

I do all organic everything from the 1 gallon to the 12 gallon, sometimes I do sometimes I don’t, sometimes I use both, I kinda play around with stuff and see what’s the best results
 
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Yes it’s one of the main differences lol, I believe the HP Nick uses has more perlite than the BX I use I add about 30% perlite to my mix

I do all organic everything from the 1 gallon to the 12 gallon, sometimes I do sometimes I don’t, sometimes I use both, I kinda play around with stuff and see what’s the best results
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thanks for the info! I’ll read up on them. I got some time before id make the change, illl need to figure it out sooner than later though.
 
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No but they are thick as FUCK like, 3x as thick as any other bags I have, I up potted a few days ago and she’s still good, looks heavy but she’s stretched an inch in each node and I’m catchin her right at lights out so I’ll see tomorrow on my submisssion day

I’m sure she’ll be a daily waterer late in flower but that’s about what I can give her haha, so we’ll see but they are defenitly heavy duty as hell and I’ll buy the 3’s or 7’s next i like larger pots but I think 12 gals is a touch overboard for the tents 5’s are nice (5gallon buckets not pots) but can get down to a daily waterer with bigger plants, 7’s to me seem like they may be the sweet spot
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I ran seven gallon bags this past run, and still had to top dress, but that being said I wasn’t running my soil right to the top of the pot either. Probably closer to six and a quarter gallons of soil. I’m gonna reammend them and use some ewc with actual worms next time as well as some cover crop. It’s definitely a slower process with a larger pot in organic soil. I also ran a single two gallon pot with the three other seven gallon pots. That plant was a daily feeder, so I didn’t water until run off with the other three seven gallon pots. Instead I watered daily with all of them , enough to prevent dryback and keep the soil microbes active. I think it was you who has a moisture meter stuck in the bottom of pot. I like that idea, probably would have saved me from killing my okie x cman. It was a shame losing her. Yours looks amazing by the way all your plants look happy and healthy.
 
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I don't really know if what I'm thinking is correct
With SIP, you don't water from the top and it only keeps the bottom 1/3 of the pot wet and it doesn't drain the water it takes up so don't need the additional drainage. Perlite will give some air space so could still be beneficial for oxygen.
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Thanks for that. I wonder if more solids could possibly raise the water bench level in a SIP. Seems like it might. If so would that be good or bad?
 
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I ran seven gallon bags this past run, and still had to top dress, but that being said I wasn’t running my soil right to the top of the pot either. Probably closer to six and a quarter gallons of soil. I’m gonna reammend them and use some ewc with actual worms next time as well as some cover crop. It’s definitely a slower process with a larger pot in organic soil. I also ran a single two gallon pot with the three other seven gallon pots. That plant was a daily feeder, so I didn’t water until run off with the other three seven gallon pots. Instead I watered daily with all of them , enough to prevent dryback and keep the soil microbes active. I think it was you who has a moisture meter stuck in the bottom of pot. I like that idea, probably would have saved me from killing my okie x cman. It was a shame losing her. Yours looks amazing by the way all your plants look happy and healthy.
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Dude I use build a soil as you know, but I do dryback like synthetic growers. I will probably do top crop as you recommended on the next run. I know Jeremy recommends like a 34 on ecowitt. I think may try one plant keeping it moist which I certainly did do on my first run burnt from lighting and fungus gnats it still had me with black fingers from trimming.
 
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Thanks for that. I wonder if more solids could possibly raise the water bench level in a SIP. Seems like it might. If so would that be good or bad?
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The SIP I use are the AC Infinity self-watering bases and their 3 gallon fabric pots. I always let the base run out of water and then I'll wait a couple days for the pot to dry out more. I also top water once in awhile to prevent any salt build up.
If you could get the water to 1/2 the pot instead of 1/3, you could start using the base sooner because the roots of the plant would reach it quicker. I would think it would be more beneficial because more of the roots will be in the water.
If the bases work through the weight of the pot on the wicks, idk if adding a lighter material to the medium would take away from water absorbing or if it would actually make it easier since it doesn't have to travel through as much medium.
Maybe I could test it, I do have an extra SIP base that I could use for an experiment! Technically wouldn't even need to plant anything to test if the level goes up.
I could add 20% perlite and check the level, let it dry then add 30% and check level, etc
 
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Dude I use build a soil as you know, but I do dryback like synthetic growers. I will probably do top crop as you recommended on the next run. I know Jeremy recommends like a 34 on ecowitt. I think may try one plant keeping it moist which I certainly did do on my first run burnt from lighting and fungus gnats it still had me with black fingers from trimming.
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The cover crop will get big, definitely chop and drop. If experience a problem with fungus gnats, try bottom watering and allow your top layer to dry out. They can’t thrive without moisture, if they get really bad dust the soil with dietemetous earth and continue bottom watering, and get some sticky traps close to the soil too.
 
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Y’all I opened my unopened bag of FFOF and they’re millions of ants in it. What should I do now?
 
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Y’all I opened my unopened bag of FFOF and they’re millions of ants in it. What should I do now?
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Throw it outside quick!
 
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Throw it outside quick!
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Is there any way of saving the soil?
 
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Y’all I opened my unopened bag of FFOF and they’re millions of ants in it. What should I do now?
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Figured you'd want a quick answer but here you go
1. Remove the Ants:

Carefully open the soil outside or in an area away from their grow space. Wearing gloves, they should gently break apart the soil to expose the ants and their nest.
Manually remove as many ants and eggs as possible.

2. Use Heat or Cold:
Heat Treatment: Spread the soil out in direct sunlight for several hours or even a day. The heat will make the ants uncomfortable and force them to move. Alternatively, they can heat the soil in the oven at a low temperature (around 150-180°F / 65-80°C) for about 30 minutes. This will kill any ants or eggs, but be careful not to overheat and harm the soil's beneficial microbes.
Cold Treatment: Place the soil in a sealed container or plastic bag and freeze it for a day or two. Freezing will kill any ants and eggs.
3. Natural Ant Repellents:
Mix diatomaceous earth into the soil. It’s harmless to plants but will act as a barrier for ants.
Watering the soil with a solution of neem oil or a diluted soap solution (biodegradable and safe for plants) can also deter ants.
4. Ant Bait:
If they notice the ants are still around or starting to invade the area, setting out ant baits in a separate location can help draw them away.
Once the ants are gone, the soil should be safe to use.
 
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Figured you'd want a quick answer but here you go
1. Remove the Ants:

Carefully open the soil outside or in an area away from their grow space. Wearing gloves, they should gently break apart the soil to expose the ants and their nest.
Manually remove as many ants and eggs as possible.

2. Use Heat or Cold:
Heat Treatment: Spread the soil out in direct sunlight for several hours or even a day. The heat will make the ants uncomfortable and force them to move. Alternatively, they can heat the soil in the oven at a low temperature (around 150-180°F / 65-80°C) for about 30 minutes. This will kill any ants or eggs, but be careful not to overheat and harm the soil's beneficial microbes.
Cold Treatment: Place the soil in a sealed container or plastic bag and freeze it for a day or two. Freezing will kill any ants and eggs.
3. Natural Ant Repellents:
Mix diatomaceous earth into the soil. It’s harmless to plants but will act as a barrier for ants.
Watering the soil with a solution of neem oil or a diluted soap solution (biodegradable and safe for plants) can also deter ants.
4. Ant Bait:
If they notice the ants are still around or starting to invade the area, setting out ant baits in a separate location can help draw them away.
Once the ants are gone, the soil should be safe to use.
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Thank you this is what I was looking for. Running outside as we speak
 
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