420Captain first grow. How are they doing ?

[420Captain]

Hii everybody!


i'm new here and want to show you my grow progress. English is not my first language, but i'll try.
I recently bought a spider farmer 120x120 with the g5000 led light. This is the second time in my life i try to grow my weed. First time was about 10 years ago, and i did 370grams in a small tent.
Currently i have 5x white widow and 1 sherbert queen, all feminized. they are in 5 gallon fabric pots, with lightmix from plagron en the nutrients from plagron.
Untill today the looked great in my opinion, but today they look 'weak'? And some leafs have small 'rust spots'

The light is 50% at 40cm now, When i give water ph is 6.3 EC is 0.55
Temp daytime is 25celcius 55%Humidity
Night is around 20celcius 60%humidity

Let me know what you think, thnx!

Greetings from 420Captain


Here is a pic from today just before the light.

Here some pic form last days

 

[JIMKSI64]

White Widow was my first grow.
They stretch a lot and love high light settings as long as the nutritional support is good.
I ran 2 in a 31x31 which is close to an 80cm x 80cm tent so unless you flip them earlier than I did 6 weeks ) you will be hard pressed to maintain the ones in the center.
I also have pics for stages if you want. The actual grow diaries entry is on another forum.
Also have 2 starting in that same 80cm tent as extras.

 

[trygrowup]

Welcome

Looks very good.

Question:

What are you feeding them?

What wattage is your light?

It's photoperiod i suppose?

 

[420Captain]

White Widow was my first grow.
They stretch a lot and love high light settings as long as the nutritional support is good.
I ran 2 in a 31x31 which is close to an 80cm x 80cm tent so unless you flip them earlier than I did 6 weeks ) you will be hard pressed to maintain the ones in the center.
I also have pics for stages if you want. The actual grow diaries entry is on another forum.
Also have 2 starting in that same 80cm tent as extras.

Yes please, i would love to see the pic's.

 

[Aspect_Honest]

• Cal Deficiency: Often appears as brown, rusty spots with a dark border, primarily on younger, upper leaves.
• Mag Deficiency: Shows as rust-colored spots between the veins of older, lower leaves, often accompanied by yellowing (interveinal chlorosis).
  
  Leaves will relax during night periods. Your girls look good, but may need a drink of water. Lifting the pots is best way to judge water needs. Know what the pot feels like after a watering, then you will know in the future the right weight. Also water when top of soil is dry to second knuckle of a finger, feel pot weight at this point too.

 

[420Captain]

Welcome

Looks very good.

Question:

What are you feeding them?

What wattage is your light?

It's photoperiod i suppose?

Thank you!
Also in the today pic they look good ?

the g5000 is 480watts and yes, photoperiod plant.
Currently they get power roots and Enzym from plagron, according to schedule

 

[420Captain]

• Cal Deficiency: Often appears as brown, rusty spots with a dark border, primarily on younger, upper leaves.
• Mag Deficiency: Shows as rust-colored spots between the veins of older, lower leaves, often accompanied by yellowing (interveinal chlorosis).
  
  Leaves will relax during night periods. Your girls look good, but may need a drink of water. Lifting the pots is best way to judge water needs. Know what the pot feels like after a watering, then you will know in the future the right weight. Also water when top of soil is dry to second knuckle of a finger, feel pot weight at this point too.

Yeah, watering is the hardest thing in my opinion. In this stage they get around 200ml every other day. So it's not so easy to do the weighing method.

 

[trygrowup]

Also in the today pic they look good ?

Yeah i suppose so. Especialy now you say photo is before light on so they're sleeping. Of course it could be other reasons they hang a bit.
I mean leaves looks god nice color no spots or anything

ps although i was wondering if it was about time to full soak but i'm no expert

 

[Ninjadogma]

Yeah, watering is the hardest thing in my opinion. In this stage they get around 200ml every other day. So it's not so easy to do the weighing method.

When they're small in a big pot you water them similar to being in the ground, watering around the drip line and moistening the regions you want the roots to reach for. When the plants get a little bigger, about every few times you water you'll do full pot watering to keep the soil even, and when they're mature, just full pot waterings with dryback cycling.

 

[PlumberSoCal2]

 

[JIMKSI64]

Yes please, i would love to see the pic's.

veg. I always start with more plants then I plan to run cause things happen. One of these was a very heavy light hog and was given to a grow bro who made it a mother.

Late veg flipped.

Puff balls.

Growing flowers.

You will notice at this point the tent was overgrown. You do not want plants hanging on walls.
But that will clear up later in flower as the plant starts to condense its footprint when the stems harden up.
This is the most intensive training part for the way I grow. You are constantly balancing out growth and pulling up or down to maintain a good light pattern on the tops.
Longer bud runs filling in.

As you can see started to see some nutrient issues that looked like calcium and nitrogen. Cal-mag stopped the rust spots but the fade continued.

Stacking hard.

9 oz with trim first run 2 plants. Top lux 68k 975 ppff 75 degrees after sugar dust shows up to protect potency.

 

[420Captain]

Looking good JIMKSI64

Here some pic's of my white widows from 10+years ago.

 

[420Captain]

Yeah i suppose so. Especialy now you say photo is before light on so they're sleeping. Of course it could be other reasons they hang a bit.
I mean leaves looks god nice color no spots or anything

ps although i was wondering if it was about time to full soak but i'm no expert

i lowerd my vpd and a few hours later they look a lot better.

Can you explain te full soak ?
Normally i give them every other day water, but only +/- 150ml. LAst 3 days they got that every day.

 

[trygrowup]

Can you explain te full soak ?

Yeah i can only tell what i try to do.
Fully soaked - i mean to make the dirt wet in the whole pot.

Just because in your picture i saw how you water in circles and thats good.
But if you havn't transplanted in the last two/three days, then i had given a full soak.

The reason why?
The size of your plant contra the pot.
The speed of the root grow. They grow very fast under normal condition at this point. further out than the leafs.
The roots wil be bigger than the plants size over ground at this point in my experience unless the dirt is only wet in the middle.
And because you use fabric pots, i'm pretty sure a full soak will be ok.
Looking at first picture again kinda confirms that they maybe are a tad too dry.

But because you have photo period plants you can choose to do as you do already. If they get little less or more water only gonna make the difference how fast the plant grows in the first weeks. And that is not as important photo period contra autos because you flower them when they have the size you want.

Again i think the soil looks a little on the dry side.(hard to judge by picture) I think it's better to have moist all the time and wet when watering, but that can start a very long debate.

Other than that it looks like you got a good start.

 

[trygrowup]

Also i'm not a fan of to much dry back in dirt. I'd rather call it "moist back"

 

[trygrowup]

And i'll tell you another thing now we talk about it.
Dry back. The never ending story
I started growing indoors 2016.
Got in to a forum.
Whit every question, every advice was dry back.
After a break i decided to try again, forgetting all the advisces, going with my gut feeling.

What is the difference now?
First i started watering a lot more
Plant don't stall as much between watering.
Easier watering. Not as hydrophobic.
Double the harvest.
And best thing i feel the progress and i learn more pr grow.
I take it step by step even if baby step. My next focus is feeding.
I'm gonna hit maybe 2.5 g/watt in a few grow i feel. All depending of course
Infact i already almost did on one plant 210 g with 75 watt.
If i have 4 photo period plants i hit an average at 400 g/300 watt, and i'm not even good at growing.

So i have come clear now. I'm not on the dry back team when growing in living soil.
Stalls my bud grow and even this grow i watered too little at first.
But we can still be friends.

 

[420Captain]

i'm so afraid to "drown" the plant, so i'm trying to take it easy on watering.
If you soak them, you add water untill it comes out the bottem ?
And how often you do that ?
i'm not sure what to do now.

21-2 - 170ml pp
23-2 - 200ml pp
24-2 - 120ml pp
25-2 - 120ml pp
This is what i gave them in the last few days. But they dry back fast.

In 90 minutes light cycle starts again, so pic's incomming :-)

 

[MrSativa]

i'm so afraid to "drown" the plant, so i'm trying to take it easy on watering.
If you soak them, you add water untill it comes out the bottem ?
And how often you do that ?
i'm not sure what to do now.

21-2 - 170ml pp
23-2 - 200ml pp
24-2 - 120ml pp
25-2 - 120ml pp
This is what i gave them in the last few days. But they dry back fast.

In 90 minutes light cycle starts again, so pic's incomming :-)

I am also new to led and i water 10% of medium every other day.
So 120ml every other day seems really really low to me, still looks like you got a nice smoke out of it.

 

[420Captain]

Really ? That's almost 2 liters every other day ?


Should i give them a good watering today ?

 

[PlumberSoCal2]

Really ? That's almost 2 liters every other day ?


Should i give them a good watering today ?

One of the main mistakes most beginner growers make is over watering. It can be a difficult ballance. One thing to help is to learn the weight of your pot. Literally lift the pot when totally dry. Learn how that feels. Before watering, lift the pot. Allow dryback before watering again. Over watering stunts growth and can actually kill a plant. Not watering enough, plants can dry out and wilt. While you don't want either over watering is way worse.

Good luck