Advanced Nutrients (Micro, Grow, Bloom) and Cal-Mag

ArtistZanner · Oct 6, 2024

ArtfulCodger said:
If you want to jump down the dry synthetic nutes rabbit hole, Greengene's Garden is a good place to start. He runs Jack's, but the principles apply to all of the dry salt lines...Jack's, Megacrop, Masterblend, etc.

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Hi, to be honest, I don't really want to buy anything I don't need. I just thought that providing nutrients might make better weed. I'm not the kind of person that needs to jump onto every fad, or every new thing that's supposed to make your weed super good, etc. I literally just want to be a bit successful in growing some weed for myself, mainly for medicinal purposes. I'm happy to take good advice and suggestions.
May I ask, are dry nutrients better than liquid ones, or are they basically the same in what they are?

ArtfulCodger · Oct 6, 2024

ArtistZanner said:
May I ask, are dry nutrients better than liquid ones, or are they basically the same in what they are?

Not better. The same. But vastly cheaper. When I switched from GH liquid nutes to Jack's, my per-gallon cost went from 64 cents to 11.

chuck88 · Oct 6, 2024

An example of training. Double Chocolate photo vegged for 50 days.

I topped once and trained sideways to about 20" wide. Then I let it grow up and at 28" high I installed bamboo stakes and a 24" wire hoop. As the plants branches grew past the hoop I would tie them to the hoop and train them sideways on the hoop. Kinda like a Xmas wreath

BTW > this has been wet trimmed...

Cheers

ArtistZanner · Oct 6, 2024

@chuck88 When you mentioned topping your plant above the 4th node, do you literally just cut off anything above that? To be honest, I'm not sure I want to grow sideways, but if I was to lop off those two larger plants above the 4th node, will it make it bushier? I notice that some of my smaller plants are much bushier than the larger ones, but I put that down to the fact they are getting better light and nutrients whereas the two largest ones weren't getting good light and/or nutrients.
I just went out to look at the plants and watered them with the stronger mixture. Some of them do look a bit yellowish. Does that mean they need more nutrients, or a particular nutrient? I will admit that I was, in the beginning, using a seaweed based product, but I found out that the npk numbers were REALLY, REALLY low. So not sure if I will continue with that or not. I read that using it in conjunction with other nutrients can be beneficial.
I am unable to get the Mega Crop 1-part here, it was available, but it isn't now. The other one you mentioned, that one is out of my budget. It was like £66 for 2.2lbs., that's just crazy money for me. Anyway, I will keep looking to see what's available in my area. I have a friend that says anything with the right numbers will work, but I'm not sure it's that easy. Like some of those he's talking about are actually lawn fertilizer. And this is why I'm on here. :)

chuck88 · Oct 6, 2024

ArtistZanner said:
@chuck88 When you mentioned topping your plant above the 4th node, do you literally just cut off anything above that? To be honest, I'm not sure I want to grow sideways, but if I was to lop off those two larger plants above the 4th node, will it make it bushier? I notice that some of my smaller plants are much bushier than the larger ones, but I put that down to the fact they are getting better light and nutrients whereas the two largest ones weren't getting good light and/or nutrients.

Leave about 1" of the stem when you cut off the top. This will remove its apical dominance and the lower branches will grow up. The goal is to get as many branches as possible at the same level. And I remove all the lower secondary side branches on the bottom 1/3 of the plant. They would have produced lesser sized buds and the plant will concentrate its energy on growing larger buds at the top of the plant.

ArtistZanner said:
I just went out to look at the plants and watered them with the stronger mixture. Some of them do look a bit yellowish. Does that mean they need more nutrients, or a particular nutrient?

A lighter green generally means they need a touch more food. If you are using all three parts you most likely don't have a deficiency. That usually presents as spots, etc. on the fan leaves.

ArtistZanner said:
I will admit that I was, in the beginning, using a seaweed based product, but I found out that the npk numbers were REALLY, REALLY low. So not sure if I will continue with that or not. I read that using it in conjunction with other nutrients can be beneficial.

Products like that can be beneficial but really aren't needed with AN and if used on their own do not have enough NPK on their own.

ArtistZanner said:
I am unable to get the Mega Crop 1-part here, it was available, but it isn't now. The other one you mentioned, that one is out of my budget. It was like £66 for 2.2lbs., that's just crazy money for me. Anyway, I will keep looking to see what's available in my area. I have a friend that says anything with the right numbers will work, but I'm not sure it's that easy. Like some of those he's talking about are actually lawn fertilizer. And this is why I'm on here. :)

Post where you're at and hopefully someone local to you will have some suggestions. As far as cost, I'm surprised GH is as expensive as AN. Usually it's a fraction of the cost ?

Cheers

ArtistZanner · Oct 6, 2024

@chuck88 Yeah, I'm in England, UK, and everything is super expensive here. I am wondering if I wasn't using the right amount of nutrients and maybe that's why my plants are yellowing. The lights wouldn't have anything to do with them yellowing, would it?
In regards to topping my plants above the 4th node -- you're saying I should leave 1" of stem above that node, is that correct? I think I will do just those two plants and see what happens. I don't think I'm brave enough to do anything too radical (not that cutting a plant is radical, but hopefully you know what I mean).
Anyway, I truly appreciate your comments, suggestions and advice, I really do. It's nice to have an outlet like this forum to get information, especially on something as controversial as weed. The UK back in the early 2000's were fairly lenient about weed, but then they changed their stance. Unfortunately it's not looking like it will ever be de-criminalized over here. So I still have to be careful about these things.

Cheers!

chuck88 · Oct 6, 2024

ArtistZanner said:
@chuck88 Yeah, I'm in England, UK, and everything is super expensive here. I am wondering if I wasn't using the right amount of nutrients and maybe that's why my plants are yellowing. The lights wouldn't have anything to do with them yellowing, would it?
In regards to topping my plants above the 4th node -- you're saying I should leave 1" of stem above that node, is that correct? I think I will do just those two plants and see what happens. I don't think I'm brave enough to do anything too radical (not that cutting a plant is radical, but hopefully you know what I mean).
Anyway, I truly appreciate your comments, suggestions and advice, I really do. It's nice to have an outlet like this forum to get information, especially on something as controversial as weed. The UK back in the early 2000's were fairly lenient about weed, but then they changed their stance. Unfortunately it's not looking like it will ever be de-criminalized over here. So I still have to be careful about these things.

Cheers!

Yes, 1" above the fourth node. Any closer and it increases the chances of a heavy branch breaking at that point.

General yellowing is usually an ask for more food...

It looks like amazon dot ca will deliver Mega Crop one part to the UK. Give that a try....

I understand "being careful"

Thankfully we can now grow up to four plants legally in Canada !

Cheers

ArtistZanner · Oct 7, 2024

@chuck88 Hey, thanks for your input, really truly appreciate it. I will check out Amazon CA to see if I can get a delivery. As for the yellowing, it didn't seem that much of an issue tonight, but I have increased the amount of nutrient content in my water, so hopefully it will sort itself out.
I just came back from being in the grow building, what I refer to as "the office". Anyway, I have 2 questions, if you can indulge me again. Firstly, initially I would water and not water for another 2 days. I watered last night and when I put my hand down into the soil, it feels dry already. Is that normal? How often is about right, or is that something that depends on conditions, lights, etc.?
The second question is, in this photo I have uploaded, the ends of the new growth seems to be curling a bit. Now, I have 11 plants and this is the only one doing this. This isn't the largest, and isn't the smallest. I thought it was getting too much light, but there are others near it that I would think would be showing the same curling if that's what it is. Seeing as it's not on any of the other plants, could this just be new growth that's unfurling? I don't want to ignore a problem that will turn into a bigger problem. Again, thanks so much for your input and I hope I'm not being a pest.

chuck88 · Oct 7, 2024

ArtistZanner said:
@chuck88 Hey, thanks for your input, really truly appreciate it. I will check out Amazon CA to see if I can get a delivery. As for the yellowing, it didn't seem that much of an issue tonight, but I have increased the amount of nutrient content in my water, so hopefully it will sort itself out.
I just came back from being in the grow building, what I refer to as "the office". Anyway, I have 2 questions, if you can indulge me again. Firstly, initially I would water and not water for another 2 days. I watered last night and when I put my hand down into the soil, it feels dry already. Is that normal? How often is about right, or is that something that depends on conditions, lights, etc.?

I can't remember, what is your growing medium ?

You can't water on a schedule. Lift the pot and if it feel light, water/feed it to a small amount of run off

ArtistZanner said:
The second question is, in this photo I have uploaded, the ends of the new growth seems to be curling a bit. Now, I have 11 plants and this is the only one doing this. This isn't the largest, and isn't the smallest. I thought it was getting too much light, but there are others near it that I would think would be showing the same curling if that's what it is. Seeing as it's not on any of the other plants, could this just be new growth that's unfurling? I don't want to ignore a problem that will turn into a bigger problem.

I think it is just the new growth unfurling, you just happened to catch it at that moment....

ArtistZanner said:
Again, thanks so much for your input and I hope I'm not being a pest.

Not a pest at all ! Ask away...

Cheers

ArtistZanner · Oct 8, 2024

chuck88 said:
I can't remember, what is your growing medium ?

You can't water on a schedule. Lift the pot and if it feel light, water/feed it to a small amount of run off

I think it is just the new growth unfurling, you just happened to catch it at that moment....

Not a pest at all ! Ask away...

Cheers

I'm growing in a peatless soil with perlite. It's what I use for all my (non cannabis) plants and have never had any issues with it. Of course I know this is a bit different, but I had 160 liters of it (which worked out perfectly to fill all my planters), so I didn't want to waste by buying more.
In regards to watering, it just seems like the plants are taking more water, but I'm sticking two fingers down in it quite far to feel for moisture before I water. Lifting is a bit difficult for me (back injury problems), so I'm checking with my fingers. And yes, I do get some run off. In fact, I even went as far as buying some lifters (not sure what the proper name for them is), but it keeps the plant from sitting on the saucer, which I believe, allows the bottom to dry out instead of staying wet since I'm using fabric pots, and they tend to stay quite wet if no air can get underneath.
I'm glad the plant (the one I photographed) doesn't have a problem. I thought I might have been paranoid since no other plants were looking like that, at least not at the time I was out there, but better to be safe than sorry I suppose.

I shall try not to pester you, but I'm sure I will have more questions at some point. Ha ha!

Thanks so much for your help and guidance. Kudos.

chuck88 · Oct 8, 2024

ArtistZanner said:
I'm growing in a peatless soil with perlite. It's what I use for all my (non cannabis) plants and have never had any issues with it. Of course I know this is a bit different, but I had 160 liters of it (which worked out perfectly to fill all my planters), so I didn't want to waste by buying more.
In regards to watering, it just seems like the plants are taking more water, but I'm sticking two fingers down in it quite far to feel for moisture before I water. Lifting is a bit difficult for me (back injury problems), so I'm checking with my fingers. And yes, I do get some run off. In fact, I even went as far as buying some lifters (not sure what the proper name for them is), but it keeps the plant from sitting on the saucer, which I believe, allows the bottom to dry out instead of staying wet since I'm using fabric pots, and they tend to stay quite wet if no air can get underneath.
I'm glad the plant (the one I photographed) doesn't have a problem. I thought I might have been paranoid since no other plants were looking like that, at least not at the time I was out there, but better to be safe than sorry I suppose.

I shall try not to pester you, but I'm sure I will have more questions at some point. Ha ha!

Thanks so much for your help and guidance. Kudos.

Sounds like you have a handle on the watering. Plant elevators are Good !

A better way to check is to use a wood skewer. Stick it in and leave it for five or ten minutes.

When you pull it out you can see where the "wet' level is

You could also do a test on one plant. Wait until it starts to droop and then check the level and don't let it get that low again !

BTW > I hear you on the back issues. As much as possible I do everything on a rolling stool

Cheers

ArtistZanner · Oct 10, 2024

chuck88 said:
Sounds like you have a handle on the watering. Plant elevators are Good !

A better way to check is to use a wood skewer. Stick it in and leave it for five or ten minutes.

When you pull it out you can see where the "wet' level is

You could also do a test on one plant. Wait until it starts to droop and then check the level and don't let it get that low again !

BTW > I hear you on the back issues. As much as possible I do everything on a rolling stool

Cheers

I actually believe those plant/pot elevators were one of the best things I have bought. I think without them my fabric pots would stay wet and my roots may have suffered.
Excellent suggestion on using a wood skewer as a guide on watering. Thanks for that.
Just to satisfy my own curiosity, at what height would you switch over to start flowering? As I have mentioned previously, I have a couple plants that are kind of tall from my "1st batch" - the others from the 1st batch are busier and not as tall. But I also have my 2nd batch, they are nice & bushy, but they are about 2 weeks behind my "1st batch", and they aren't very tall yet. I know plants will continue to grow in the flowering stage, but it's anyone's guess how much mine will grow. I keep hearing how most people don't spend a lot of time at the vegetation stage, and I'm already nearing a month and a half on the oldest plants. I'm just trying to get an idea of when is a good time to flip.
Anyway, thanks again Chuck. I have no idea how to reward someone on the forum (you deserve it, especially for your patience with me). I am rubbish at navigating the forum, not great with computers and not sure what I'm doing (story of my life ). But I absolutely appreciate everyone's help.

chuck88 · Oct 10, 2024

ArtistZanner said:
I actually believe those plant/pot elevators were one of the best things I have bought. I think without them my fabric pots would stay wet and my roots may have suffered.
Excellent suggestion on using a wood skewer as a guide on watering. Thanks for that.
Just to satisfy my own curiosity, at what height would you switch over to start flowering? As I have mentioned previously, I have a couple plants that are kind of tall from my "1st batch" - the others from the 1st batch are busier and not as tall. But I also have my 2nd batch, they are nice & bushy, but they are about 2 weeks behind my "1st batch", and they aren't very tall yet. I know plants will continue to grow in the flowering stage, but it's anyone's guess how much mine will grow. I keep hearing how most people don't spend a lot of time at the vegetation stage, and I'm already nearing a month and a half on the oldest plants. I'm just trying to get an idea of when is a good time to flip.
Anyway, thanks again Chuck. I have no idea how to reward someone on the forum (you deserve it, especially for your patience with me). I am rubbish at navigating the forum, not great with computers and not sure what I'm doing (story of my life ). But I absolutely appreciate everyone's help.

I normally flip to flower at the end of week 7 and expect the plants to at least double in height !

Depends on your lights though, not sure if you said what you are using now ?

You can reward me with pictures of nice healthy plants

Cheers

chuck88 · Oct 10, 2024

@ArtistZanner

BTW > if you haven't already, it's a good idea to place the shorter plants on bricks, boxes, etc. to get all of the tops at the same level !

And if you are feeling Really Adventurous this is one way to control height

Cut the top off above the fifth node and remove Everything but two nodes. And then use skewers and soft wire to tie down the branches as they grow. Continue doing this for as wide as you have room for before letting them grow up again !

Mau Wowie before...

Mau Wowie after

Cheers

ArtistZanner · Oct 11, 2024

chuck88 said:
@ArtistZanner

BTW > if you haven't already, it's a good idea to place the shorter plants on bricks, boxes, etc. to get all of the tops at the same level !

And if you are feeling Really Adventurous this is one way to control height

Cut the top off above the fifth node and remove Everything but two nodes. And then use skewers and soft wire to tie down the branches as they grow. Continue doing this for as wide as you have room for before letting them grow up again !

Mau Wowie before...

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Mau Wowie after

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Cheers

Hello! In regards to your photos, is the top photo what the plant looked like before you cut it, or am I confused?

I didn't realise all the plants should be at the same level, but hey, there's lots of things I'm still learning. I'm going to post some pictures below this, so you can see what things are looking like in my growing space (I'm never sure what to call it because it's not an entire room nor a tent). I also have a question about a leaf I found on one of my plants.

ArtistZanner · Oct 11, 2024

Alrighty, so I moved the plants around tonight, because it's getting increasingly harder to move around. And yes, I have committed a huge newbie no-no, which is -- I grew too many plants and now my space is very difficult to navigate. It's too late not to continue growing them though and while it may be hard, I'm determined to make it work.
So first I'm going to post a photo of a leaf I found on one of my larger plants. I have seen no other leaves like this on that plant or any others. I will say that I've just increased my nutrients and have added cal-mag as well. I'm really hoping this isn't rust fungus, but since I haven't seen it elsewhere, maybe it's just a deficiency. I'm stressing out just a bit. What do you think?
Second photo is showing my 2nd Batch plants. They will be 1 month old tomorrow exactly. I had wanted them to grow a bit more before flipping them, but I don't want the 1st Batch plants getting too big. Should I wait another couple of weeks? There are 6 in the 2nd Batch (and there are 5 from the 1st Batch) and in the photo, there's a plant that's from the 1st Batch - as you look at the photo, there's 3 plants sort of in line on the left side and then there's 4 plants on the right side. Well, the 3rd plant from the front on that side is from the 1st Batch (just saying).
And finally, the last photo is showing my growing space with all the plants. You can see in the very back my two largest plants. The reason they grew so much bigger than the others is because initially I had a really cheap crap light and instead of growing short and bushy, they reached for the light (because it was inadequate) and now are tall and not very bushy, not like the others.
Other than putting them all at the same height, any comments, suggestions or thoughts?

chuck88 · Oct 11, 2024

ArtistZanner said:
Hello! In regards to your photos, is the top photo what the plant looked like before you cut it, or am I confused?

Yes, that is the same plant. Before and after the trimming

ArtistZanner said:
I didn't realise all the plants should be at the same level, but hey, there's lots of things I'm still learning. I'm going to post some pictures below this, so you can see what things are looking like in my growing space (I'm never sure what to call it because it's not an entire room nor a tent). I also have a question about a leaf I found on one of my plants.

Light is the engine that drives the plants growth. I'll go into more detail a little later.....

Cheers

Newty · Oct 12, 2024

GNick55 said:
i hear ya
here’s my nutrients and i’m lucky if i get to half the amount they suggest,. the cost would be insane at the feeding rate View attachment 2296462

I used Botanicare on my last 8x4 grow of Frostette.
Also used their Vitamino and Pure Blend Tea that isn't shown on the feed chart.
Did not use Rhizo Blast or Sweet.
Used at the doses on the feed chart below.
Bought 1 quart of each and ended up having to buy another quart of the Pro Bloom Soil and Liquid Karma to finish the grow.

My results were no better then the 3 part General Hydroponics Flora Series, bunch of money spent for watered down nutes. Won't use it again personally, maybe some of the supplements but definitely not the full line.
8 bottles and 3x the dose to achieve the same as 3 bottles of the Flora Series at 1/3 the dose.

chuck88 · Oct 12, 2024

ArtistZanner said:
Alrighty, so I moved the plants around tonight, because it's getting increasingly harder to move around. And yes, I have committed a huge newbie no-no, which is -- I grew too many plants and now my space is very difficult to navigate. It's too late not to continue growing them though and while it may be hard, I'm determined to make it work.

It is actually a Good thing to start with more plants than will fit the space and then mid vegetative stage or so retire the overage, choosing the healthiest/strongest, etc.

If you are determined to keep all 10 (?) plants we need to talk a bit about space management, light and air flow !

Let's say your pots are about a foot wide, a good total width goal that you would allow the plant(s) to grow into could be 16 - 18" using a cage or three bamboo poles and a ring of wire that you can restrain and/or tie branches to...

The best use of your lights is to maintain a level canopy. So sorry to say, I would suggest you at least trim those two tall girls to a foot or so high

They will then pretty well develop along with the rest of them until flower. Consider they will at least double in height after you flip to 12/12, no matter how old they are. You control their eventually height by controlling the light on hours.

Is you space light proof ? Must Be!

You could remove them and think of them as a trial and learning experience ! And gain the space and the ability to give your girls All the same amount of light !

Then consider that very shortly your existing plants will FILL that space. Working on them will be a PITA

By trimming/training you could MAKE an upside down Xmas tree in that 18" space !

This gets all the bud sites in what I call the Happy Zone

Gradually over time remove all bud sites And fan leaves from the bottom third of the plant. I like to have this done by no later than a week after you flip the lights to 12/12. By trimming/training branches you can control how many are going to compose the final Buds. The plant will concentrate all of it's efforts into what you have left to receive the bounty of the sun

You didn't say how many watts from the wall your lights draw ?

The most efficient use of your lights is having a Level Canopy Across the whole space. As is you would be using one light for two plants and the other for eight ? Do you want to raise eight pots or Lower two

Let us take a step back and talk about your expectations on yields ? How much do you Need with enough left over for Gifts

If you have upwards of 32w/ft and allow the plants some room to grow and depending on the strain it would not be unreasonable to expect 4 - 6 oz/plant !

This brings me back around to light again ! Your lights may not have dimming controls so you use height to maintain the optimal amount of light to the canopy.

I have a number of par meters on my phone but the one app I trust the most is a simple (and free) Lux meter. Take a measurement at plant height and convert the lux's to par. Your plants appear to be able to handle 30,000 lux or 450 par. I convert lux to par x .015...

That should be a happy amount of light. Can you keep your temps down below 80 and relative humidity at least 50% ?

More happy parameters

Here is an extreme method to fit max plants in a space. Remove everything below the top slowly up to flowering. That will grow you one Large Cola and fit between the larger plants. And that single cola could be oz's !

ArtistZanner said:
So first I'm going to post a photo of a leaf I found on one of my larger plants. I have seen no other leaves like this on that plant or any others. I will say that I've just increased my nutrients and have added cal-mag as well.

Those rust spots could possibly be a call for more magnesium but one spot on one leaf is Not a concern. You have upped your nutrients and added Cal/Mag. Keep an eye out for more spots but for now, give it a week before Even considering a change in feed !

If you are feeding equal amounts of all three you should be good.

And judging by your pictures they look Excellent !

Well done so far, eh ?

Sorry for the ramble, Apple Betty and I are getting ready to go chop some plants up

Cheers

ArtistZanner · Oct 12, 2024

chuck88 said:
It is actually a Good thing to start with more plants than will fit the space and then mid vegetative stage or so retire the overage, choosing the healthiest/strongest, etc.

If you are determined to keep all 10 (?) plants we need to talk a bit about space management, light and air flow !

Let's say your pots are about a foot wide, a good total width goal that you would allow the plant(s) to grow into could be 16 - 18" using a cage or three bamboo poles and a ring of wire that you can restrain and/or tie branches to...

The best use of your lights is to maintain a level canopy. So sorry to say, I would suggest you at least trim those two tall girls to a foot or so high

They will then pretty well develop along with the rest of them until flower. Consider they will at least double in height after you flip to 12/12, no matter how old they are. You control their eventually height by controlling the light on hours.

Is you space light proof ? Must Be!

You could remove them and think of them as a trial and learning experience ! And gain the space and the ability to give your girls All the same amount of light !

Then consider that very shortly your existing plants will FILL that space. Working on them will be a PITA

By trimming/training you could MAKE an upside down Xmas tree in that 18" space !

This gets all the bud sites in what I call the Happy Zone

Gradually over time remove all bud sites And fan leaves from the bottom third of the plant. I like to have this done by no later than a week after you flip the lights to 12/12. By trimming/training branches you can control how many are going to compose the final Buds. The plant will concentrate all of it's efforts into what you have left to receive the bounty of the sun

You didn't say how many watts from the wall your lights draw ?

The most efficient use of your lights is having a Level Canopy Across the whole space. As is you would be using one light for two plants and the other for eight ? Do you want to raise eight pots or Lower two

Let us take a step back and talk about your expectations on yields ? How much do you Need with enough left over for Gifts

If you have upwards of 32w/ft and allow the plants some room to grow and depending on the strain it would not be unreasonable to expect 4 - 6 oz/plant !

This brings me back around to light again ! Your lights may not have dimming controls so you use height to maintain the optimal amount of light to the canopy.

I have a number of par meters on my phone but the one app I trust the most is a simple (and free) Lux meter. Take a measurement at plant height and convert the lux's to par. Your plants appear to be able to handle 30,000 lux or 450 par. I convert lux to par x .015...

That should be a happy amount of light. Can you keep your temps down below 80 and relative humidity at least 50% ?

More happy parameters

Here is an extreme method to fit max plants in a space. Remove everything below the top slowly up to flowering. That will grow you one Large Cola and fit between the larger plants. And that single cola could be oz's !

Those rust spots could possibly be a call for more magnesium but one spot on one leaf is Not a concern. You have upped your nutrients and added Cal/Mag. Keep an eye out for more spots but for now, give it a week before Even considering a change in feed !

If you are feeding equal amounts of all three you should be good.

And judging by your pictures they look Excellent !

Well done so far, eh ?

Sorry for the ramble, Apple Betty and I are getting ready to go chop some plants up

Cheers

Hello again,
Actually I enjoy your ramblings because I'm one of those people that need to hear lots of information. Okay, so I've got 11 plants. Five are about a month and a half old, and the 2nd batch which is 6 plants are one month old exactly. I think I will take your advice and cut the two big ones in the back, because otherwise, they'll probably just be tall and ugly and not produce much. So, do I cut them while they're in the dark (lights off), or cut them tonight when lights go back on? (I realise you may not respond before my time, UK vs CA time). I did top every single plant though. As I was reading how that's better. So, all plants have been topped. Now, while they're still in veg, do I cut ANY fan leaves at all? Some of them are pretty big on some of my plants.
I thought I had read not to cut anything once you're in flowering, but I could be wrong. I did move some stuff around last night, after I'd written my post on here, so I have more space available now. I have a total of 4 lights, and I believe 3 are pulling 100 watts (but claim to give a higher output, as they all do), and one of them is pulling 200 watts. The thing is, the building I'm using has no electricity to it. I literally have an all weather extension going from our house to that building. It did, at one time, have electricity, not sure what happened there. So, obviously I'm limited as to how much electricity I can have (and a partner that is akin to Scrooge with money) . I have a heater running, because it's getting cold at night here. I have a full size dehumidifier in there, a fan, and of course, the lights.
My temperatures are around 68-70F (but only by using the heater), unfortunately getting my humidity down below 60 is proving to be very difficult. Not sure how to fix that.
Yes, my area is totally light proof. I went and blocked off all the windows and when I turn off the lights and stand in there, it's dark. I can't see anything.
When I went in there today, to turn the lights off, I had another look for any rust spots and I can't see anything on any of the plants. So I feel like maybe that was the start of signs of not enough nutrients.
As to expectations. I have none. Obviously I want something to come of all the time and money I've spent on this little hobby, but I'm not looking to make £££, and to be honest, I am not looking to share because that's how bad things happen. My partner doesn't smoke, so it's just me. Really, this is half about my ability to make this work, and half about getting something out of it. Of course, like I said, I do hope to have something to celebrate with when it's all said an done.
Okay, remind me again. How far would you chop those two big plants in the back? I will do it later.
Thank you so much again for your help. I really enjoy learning stuff. Oh, and I was thinking of going for another 2 weeks before flipping, what do you think?
Cheers from UK

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