Issue I have is they outgrow them quickly

Not tried those ones but was using bends years ago. They worked well

Smokem420 said:

I tried them they broke my branches. Did you have any luck?

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Did you give a good watering a couple of hours before?
Ideally they're used early then removed or the stem eats into them
With a goodnwatering prior to placing them the plant and stems are more pliable due to the moisture content in the stems

If your into lst training it’s always best to have numerous items at hand.

In my case metal binder clips , lst clips which bend 45 . 90 and maybe like 15 .and soft tie to make a candy cane hook and loops to lay them down.

It took a couple days get there but do they ever take off after.

Nobody’s perfect branches break . I don’t now how . Lost the top 2 nodes from climbing over this one the other day and made it an avatar.

no clip in site . If you looked at it a day later you would have never known it was gone.

It’s therapy to train them to the edges of your space.