Aquashield Questions~ Make your own poultry tea??

Chronic Monster · Jul 23, 2011

I made a thread awhile back asking what people liked to use in their hydroponic (r)dwc type systems for root health. Noticed a lot of people like Aquashield from Botanicare, which I have heard is simply composted poultry manure/(anyone confirm that? )

The product is fairly reasonably priced compared to other hydroponic root products, RE for example/
There is a shelf life of a year so I am guessing there is some type of beneficial in there?, plus being shipped around in hot ass UPS trucks probably expedites the break down of the product or any living microbe that may have existed.

So I was wondering about making your own poultry tea?

I was looking at a variety of chicken manure products, lets take this one for example. Chickity doo doo which is pellets of sterilized chicken manure.

I notice on their site they give directions for making a tea,

http://www.chickitydoodoo.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=67&Itemid=134

but the product is baked and sterilized. So wouldn't any microbes be destroyed by baking and sterilization what would be the point of making a tea? Is it possible something would be activated by the brewing process??? :wondering

This particular product has 9% calcium and high N so any ideas what nutrient line would have a good profile to use this with? Might only work for veg?

http://www.chickitydoodoo.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30&Itemid=91
Would I be better served to find a non sterilized version if I wanted to give this a try?

Thanks for any advice or info/ +rep for any helpful comments. :joint:

TrichromeFan · Jul 23, 2011

Now I am no expert by a long shot, but I have heard that the active ingredient in the aquashield is a bacteria based beneficial. So, if the bag was baked and sterilized, then the bacteria went out the window right then. Now it should sure make for a good veg nutrient tea, just not one with a bacteria that will out compete the cavity creeps in the root zone. Maybe you can find another brand that is not sterilized.

-TF

desertsquirrel · Jul 24, 2011

Sterilization well kill the benies, but is necessary in this case, some nasty shit grows on that stuff.

Seems like a great base though, you can just add your own benies to the tea as well.

Chronic Monster · Jul 24, 2011

Thanks guys :joint:

Chronic Monster · Jul 25, 2011

I sent the chickitty doo doo people an email, I just wondered why they would recommend making a tea, the whole thing seems pointless to me if the stuff is sterilized.
But after thinking about it for a second I wondered how they would make aquashield without culturing up the nasty shit??
My intial inquiry to chickity doo doo*
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

"I notice on your web site directions for making a tea from chickity doo doo, but since the product is baked and sterilized, wouldn't any microbes be destroyed by baking and sterilization, so what would be the point of making a tea? Is it possible something would be activated by the brewing process???"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Their response,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for your inquiry to the Chickity Doo Doo website.

Actually, our process does include composting (or baking) of the raw manure as it comes out of the barns. As part of this process, we are looking to eliminate the strong ammonia smell and all pathogens. The key is to hold onto as many of the microbes while eliminating the unwanted part of the manure. Although some are lost during our composting process, our product is loaded with all the beneficial microbes your soil needs. Quickly after our composting process we turn the manure into pellets, which has a moisture level below 10%. At this point the pellets have no microbial activity until they get wet.

So to answer you question, our compost tea recipe is loaded with microbes and is an excellent liquid fertilizer that can be used for a foliar spray or applied to the ground. It is a great supplement to our granular product.

I hope this helps. Let me know if I can answer any additional questions.

Scott Burgeson
714 904 9670

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

what do you guys think~bullshit or actually possible?

OGONLY · Jul 25, 2011

I'm not really sure about his claim. Could be true I figure, but you're right he could be blowing smoke.

I don't really think it matters whether the doo doo has living microbes as long as you are adding other ingredients that contribute microbiallife to the tea. The doo doo (I like writing that lol) will still contribute to the tea in other ways IMO.

I almost bought that stuff a few weeks ago. Think I will use it next year in my soil mix.

TheBioMaster · Jul 25, 2011

These microbes are even present in the air and can get into the water through the air pump used to aerate the water. There is a process where you can make your own tea just using rice/water and some milk, and a air stone and in about 72 hours you will have a VERY diverse/concentrated microbe filled tea that will work wonders around the store bought products as they are very fresh and teaming with life.

Chronic Monster · Jul 25, 2011

Interesting BioMaster!
Got any links you can share, or care to go a little more in-depth :wondering

TheBioMaster · Jul 25, 2011

There was a recipee I saw posted somewhere, might have been here even I think or over at icmag maybe? Basically to make the tea, take about 2 cups white rice and boil for about 2 minutes in about 8 cups water. Drain and strain the rice and keep the water. Add the water to 5 gallon bucket with small air pump and air stone. Add 2 cups 2% milk and 2 tablespoons black mollasses and about 2 to 3 gallons more water (non chlorinated or chloramine). Stir well and bubble for about 48 hours.....skim off the top nasty layer that forms periodically and strain when done. Whats left can be refrigerated and diluted when applied. Try to make enough to use right away as we never tested how long the tea would last....but without lots of oxygen and food the diverse biology alive in the tea will die fast.

Chronic Monster · Jul 25, 2011

Thanks biomaster :)

Seamaiden · Jul 26, 2011

TheBioMaster said:
These microbes are even present in the air and can get into the water through the air pump used to aerate the water. There is a process where you can make your own tea just using rice/water and some milk, and a air stone and in about 72 hours you will have a VERY diverse/concentrated microbe filled tea that will work wonders around the store bought products as they are very fresh and teaming with life.

Hell, just some sugar (molasses works nicely) in water, bubbled for a day or two will get you something going. Mine usually ends up smelling like beer, as my husband used to homebrew.

That's a 714 area code and I'm wondering why I can't find good chicken shit locally. There is the Gardener & Bloom poop combo.

CM, it seems to me that if nothing else, the tea would provide nutrients (leached into water column just like, well, tea).

dextr0 · Jul 26, 2011

TheBioMaster said:
There was a recipee I saw posted somewhere, might have been here even I think or over at icmag maybe? Basically to make the tea, take about 2 cups white rice and boil for about 2 minutes in about 8 cups water. Drain and strain the rice and keep the water. Add the water to 5 gallon bucket with small air pump and air stone. Add 2 cups 2% milk and 2 tablespoons black mollasses and about 2 to 3 gallons more water (non chlorinated or chloramine). Stir well and bubble for about 48 hours.....skim off the top nasty layer that forms periodically and strain when done. Whats left can be refrigerated and diluted when applied. Try to make enough to use right away as we never tested how long the tea would last....but without lots of oxygen and food the diverse biology alive in the tea will die fast.

Lactic Acid Bacteria (LAB) / How to make LAB
How to make LAB
Tools

Clay jar (a big and a small one)
Porous paper ( Korean paper or paper towel), rubber band

Materials

Rice-washed water
NOTE: Obtain strong indigenous pure stocks of lactic acid bacteria in a given region by using rice-washed water. By cultivating massive amounts of bacteria, they can continually be applied to the soil.
Milk (unprocessed, if possible)

Environments

Optimum temperature is 23~25°C
A cool and shaded area with no sunlight
Little change in the environment

Methods

Pour rice-washed water up to 5.9~7.9in deep in a jar and cover the mouth of the jar with porous paper. That the rice-washed water must occupy 2/3 the volume of the jar.
Lactic acid bacteria populate at 23~25°C. Three to four days later, the jar will have 3 divided layers: floating matter, clear liquid, and dregs. It starts to emit a sour smell unique to lactic acid bacteria. The separated layer of clear liquid contains the lactic acid bacteria (called LAB pure stock). This liquid is used.
Pour milk in the big jar. The ideal ratio of milk and rice water is 10:1.
Since milk has more nutrients than rice-washed water, the lactic acid bacteria grow vigorously. In 5-7 days at 23~25°C, starch, protein, and fat float on the surface (called cheese) and light yellow liquid (LAB serum) remains below the cheese.
When LAB are produced after 7 days, remove the cheese, which is separated from LAB. If the cheese is left as is, the cheese melts and undergoes a secondary reaction. This cannot be used as LAB.
The LAB serum can be kept after filtering and refining.
-----------------------------------------------------------
We were also talking about it here and a couple of us made some. I need to make some more. Its really easy mane, ill explain anything if u dont understand...jus gotta ask.

desertsquirrel · Jul 26, 2011

If you are trying to colonize fungi, sugar will be fine, for bacteria however, only monosacerides (glucose) will do.

here is a post from another thread that might help too:

I had a long talk with the microbiologist that owns soil secrets a while back. According to him mycorrhiza is only produced commercially in 3 places. His spot in new mexico where he colonizes root systems in a deep fog aero set up and harvests the spores in a lab. And 2 others, one in Oregon, and i forget the other. But he claimed both of the others harvest by sieving compost basically (kiefing soil?). According to him all mycos products are sourced by these 3 companies.

Also, because its done in a lab all soil secrets products come with a spore count. the only company to provide one.

I love their mycorrhiza products and would recommend them over anything else.

motherlode · Jul 26, 2011

my take on this is aquashield isnt that expensive and I know it works - Im not gonna throw some half ass chicken poop concoction in my undercurrent

desertsquirrel · Jul 26, 2011

motherlode said:
my take on this is aquashield isnt that expensive and I know it works - Im not gonna throw some half ass chicken poop concoction in my undercurrent

lol

Chronic Monster · Jul 26, 2011

Thanks for the thoughtful answers Dex, DesertSquirrel & BioMaster.

motherlode said:
my take on this is aquashield isnt that expensive and I know it works - Im not gonna throw some half ass chicken poop concoction in my undercurrent

So since Im considering this poultry tea, your basically implying Im a half assed grower..

Bottom fucking line...
Im not going to throw anything half assed at my plants or into my system.

:sign0065: I'm just trying to have a conversation with fellow growers.
You offer no reasoning why this is half assed, just a pessimistic post.

Im guessing that's your attempt at a constructive comment.

motherlode · Jul 26, 2011

wow CM take a puff

in case you hadnt noticed I am very pessimistic

if your going on a hunch/speculation that this is what aquashield is and you trust chicken poop water to keep your plants healthy then dont let my pessimism stop you

if it fucks up then I would say yes that was a half assed attempt to save very little money

I dont believe anything I read on the internet BTW

dextr0 · Jul 26, 2011

Chron im tellin you I personally think it would be a fail. Organics and hydroponics have never really gone together well....

Chronic Monster · Jul 26, 2011

Its not about the money, people frequently brew their own microbes because you get a better/more diverse product. AACT isn't something I thought up on my own.
If your going to be pessimistic about something I would hope you could include a thoughtful comment behind it.

motherlode · Jul 26, 2011

yeah thats me mr thoughtful - lol

how about this - I think home made organics and hydro is a bad idea

wasnt tryiing to say you were half assed at all

Aquashield Questions~ Make your own poultry tea??

Aquashield Questions~ Make your own poultry tea??

Chronic Monster

TrichromeFan

desertsquirrel

Chronic Monster

Chronic Monster

OGONLY

TheBioMaster

Chronic Monster

TheBioMaster

Chronic Monster

Seamaiden

Living dead girl

dextr0

desertsquirrel

motherlode

@Rolln_J

desertsquirrel

Chronic Monster

motherlode

@Rolln_J

dextr0

Chronic Monster

motherlode

@Rolln_J

Aquashield Questions~ Make your own poultry tea??

Aquashield Questions~ Make your own poultry tea??

Chronic Monster

TrichromeFan

desertsquirrel

Chronic Monster

Chronic Monster

OGONLY

TheBioMaster

Chronic Monster

TheBioMaster

Chronic Monster

Seamaiden

Living dead girl

dextr0

desertsquirrel

motherlode

@Rolln_J

desertsquirrel

Chronic Monster

motherlode

@Rolln_J

dextr0

Chronic Monster

motherlode

@Rolln_J

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency