Growth said:

I planted 6/6 seeds 10 days ago give or take expecting 1 or 2 to die, because we ALWAYS lose seeds.
Last grow we were able to keep 4/10 alive. Sadly it looks like this grow we're going to have 2/6 alive.

We treated them all in the same conditions. Placed them in an incubator, kept at 80/80. Two sprouted out the second day.
The rest hadn't moved by day 7 so we dug and inspected. There were some taproots alive and well and we re-set them, but I think we may have drowned them.

I put them in a carboard box to dry the bottoms hoping they'll grow down and pop up, but is that likely after 10 days of nothing?

We ALWAYS have bad luck with seeds dying in droves. We can grow beautiful plants, but oddly it's this one thing we can't figure out and it should be the simplest.

We once did the paper towel method and gently put them in moist soil.
We once placed the seeds a fingernail depth in a pre-wet, but not dripping, pot of soil.

Every. Time. We lose a majority of our seeds which are really expensive and we're thinking of switching to cloning our plants to make it easier, but I'd still like to know.

Does anyone think these seeds have any chance left?
My plants in their dome under a full spectrum low wattage SpiderFarmer LED.
Watered with distilled (dehumidifier) water at 6.4pH, 80RH, 80F and Photone to measure the light to 12 DLI like it should be at this stage.
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Does anyone have any recommendations, tips, or a YouTube video that will help a simpleton get a high success rate with seeds? People in Discord are telling me they're getting 90%+ survival rate so it's obviously my fault.

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Growth said:

I planted 6/6 seeds 10 days ago give or take expecting 1 or 2 to die, because we ALWAYS lose seeds.
Last grow we were able to keep 4/10 alive. Sadly it looks like this grow we're going to have 2/6 alive.

We treated them all in the same conditions. Placed them in an incubator, kept at 80/80. Two sprouted out the second day.
The rest hadn't moved by day 7 so we dug and inspected. There were some taproots alive and well and we re-set them, but I think we may have drowned them.

I put them in a carboard box to dry the bottoms hoping they'll grow down and pop up, but is that likely after 10 days of nothing?

We ALWAYS have bad luck with seeds dying in droves. We can grow beautiful plants, but oddly it's this one thing we can't figure out and it should be the simplest.

We once did the paper towel method and gently put them in moist soil.
We once placed the seeds a fingernail depth in a pre-wet, but not dripping, pot of soil.

Every. Time. We lose a majority of our seeds which are really expensive and we're thinking of switching to cloning our plants to make it easier, but I'd still like to know.

Does anyone think these seeds have any chance left?
My plants in their dome under a full spectrum low wattage SpiderFarmer LED.
Watered with distilled (dehumidifier) water at 6.4pH, 80RH, 80F and Photone to measure the light to 12 DLI like it should be at this stage.
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Does anyone have any recommendations, tips, or a YouTube video that will help a simpleton get a high success rate with seeds? People in Discord are telling me they're getting 90%+ survival rate so it's obviously my fault.

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GNick55 said:

another thing if you haven’t been using that junk to measure everything you would of learned by your mistakes but you want to believe in “tools” to help to grow,.. get rid of ph crap, light meters etc

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Growth said:

Thank you but I disagree. I prefer to have my grow down to a science eventually to where it will never fail and if it does only minorly. I'm not a huge believer in winging it. Giant indoor farms don't wing it, they have strict rules to follow at every step of the process to produce quality stuff.

We also have been learning from our many mistakes, and tools have helped us solve that.

PPM meters told us the plants were overfed OR not eating due to something else.
pH meters tell us if the plants are in dangerous levels.
VPD/Humidity/Temperature in check has had our plants noticeably greener and healthier looking.
Light meter actually stopped us from burning our plants which we didn't know we were doing and at the very least gives us a gauge to go by. If it isn't the right amount of light we'll know the number needs to be higher or lower next time, and repeat.

Like I said, we grow beautiful plants. We just have never had luck starting seeds.

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Growth said:

Thank you but I disagree. I prefer to have my grow down to a science eventually to where it will never fail and if it does only minorly. I'm not a huge believer in winging it. Giant indoor farms don't wing it, they have strict rules to follow at every step of the process to produce quality stuff.

We also have been learning from our many mistakes, and tools have helped us solve that.

PPM meters told us the plants were overfed OR not eating due to something else.
pH meters tell us if the plants are in dangerous levels.
VPD/Humidity/Temperature in check has had our plants noticeably greener and healthier looking.
Light meter actually stopped us from burning our plants which we didn't know we were doing and at the very least gives us a gauge to go by. If it isn't the right amount of light we'll know the number needs to be higher or lower next time, and repeat.

Like I said, we grow beautiful plants. We just have never had luck starting seeds.

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Growth said:

GNick55 said:

and i’m not helping if everything i say is going to get questioned,..

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Thank you but I disagree. I prefer to have my grow down to a science eventually to where it will never fail and if it does only minorly. I'm not a huge believer in winging it. Giant indoor farms don't wing it, they have strict rules to follow at every step of the process to produce quality stuff.

We also have been learning from our many mistakes, and tools have helped us solve that.

PPM meters told us the plants were overfed OR not eating due to something else.
pH meters tell us if the plants are in dangerous levels.
VPD/Humidity/Temperature in check has had our plants noticeably greener and healthier looking.
Light meter actually stopped us from burning our plants which we didn't know we were doing and at the very least gives us a gauge to go by. If it isn't the right amount of light we'll know the number needs to be higher or lower next time, and repeat.

Like I said, we grow beautiful plants. We just have never had luck starting seeds.

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GNick55 said:

and i’m not helping if everything i say is going to get questioned,..

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Growth said:

Thank you but I disagree. I prefer to have my grow down to a science eventually to where it will never fail and if it does only minorly. I'm not a huge believer in winging it. Giant indoor farms don't wing it, they have strict rules to follow at every step of the process to produce quality stuff.

We also have been learning from our many mistakes, and tools have helped us solve that.

PPM meters told us the plants were overfed OR not eating due to something else.
pH meters tell us if the plants are in dangerous levels.
VPD/Humidity/Temperature in check has had our plants noticeably greener and healthier looking.
Light meter actually stopped us from burning our plants which we didn't know we were doing and at the very least gives us a gauge to go by. If it isn't the right amount of light we'll know the number needs to be higher or lower next time, and repeat.

Like I said, we grow beautiful plants. We just have never had luck starting seeds.

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Growth said:

You didn't even answer the question? You mentioned something totally unrelated to my question.

Not using tools isn't the answer to help me learn if these seeds are even worth my time still or how to grow them properly in the future.

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Growth said:

You didn't even answer the question? You mentioned something totally unrelated to my question.

Not using tools isn't the answer to help me learn if these seeds are even worth my time still or how to grow them properly in the future.

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Captspaulding said:

Vpd, kpi ppfd alls those dumb metrics generally get thrown out the door when you start figuring shit out. Guess you will have that sorted In a million years or so. Sure you grow great plants you say? Well you capsule be growing all of your plants.

Come to forum, ask a question, get one of the best growers here to answer, says Naaaaaah!


nailed it.

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Growth said:

sdf

Again, never got an answer. Just people whining at me for enjoying using tools.

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GNick55 said:

seeds are not the issue,..
in your photo above i see over watering and light stress but if your meters say not than believe them,..

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Growth said:

my question was about seeds, but they aren't the issue?

they're exactly the issue. the issue I asked about. but if you're just going to keep fighting about how tools dont work then you're not helping me and idk how you could claim to be.

You put the whole idea of "I'm offering him so much help" in your head with your hatred for measuring that you ignored the real question and are annoyed because i point out that wasnt my question?

thanks for the help, chap.

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Growth said:

Thank you but I disagree. I prefer to have my grow down to a science eventually to where it will never fail and if it does only minorly. I'm not a huge believer in winging it. Giant indoor farms don't wing it, they have strict rules to follow at every step of the process to produce quality stuff.

We also have been learning from our many mistakes, and tools have helped us solve that.

PPM meters told us the plants were overfed OR not eating due to something else.
pH meters tell us if the plants are in dangerous levels.
VPD/Humidity/Temperature in check has had our plants noticeably greener and healthier looking.
Light meter actually stopped us from burning our plants which we didn't know we were doing and at the very least gives us a gauge to go by. If it isn't the right amount of light we'll know the number needs to be higher or lower next time, and repeat.

Like I said, we grow beautiful plants. We just have never had luck starting seeds.

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Growth said:

No I'm truly not. Just because I disagree with him and he never gave me an actual answer doesn't make me a douchebag. I'd honestly say the reverse.


1. I ask question, give details.
2. I get told something TOTALLY unrelated to my question.
3. I say "I disagree"
4. I'm a douchebag.

Makes total sense. I'm the clown. You're not just bullies coming down on a new grower because a mod was the one who said it.

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Growth said:

No I'm truly not. Just because I disagree with him and he never gave me an actual answer doesn't make me a douchebag. I'd honestly say the reverse.


1. I ask question, give details.
2. I get told something TOTALLY unrelated to my question.
3. I say "I disagree"
4. I'm a douchebag.

Makes total sense. I'm the clown. You're not just bullies coming down on a new grower because a mod was the one who said it.

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