I know this may be a hard one to answer,but what are some average yields like say with 28 grams of frosty popcorn nugs in. We never get oil in my area so this doesn't seem that hard.I know it's and art just like the rest of it. What might you suggest with with a first timer running oil, I have about 2zips left of some fruity Sour D that would love to try this on,But don't want to put all my eggs in one basket. We do have a bad ass head shop so I guess I can take him this picture to blow me a tube like you showed.Would cheese cloth be a good filter to use ?

Crippled, you obviously haven't done enough research yet...start with the basics

SSTB (Can fit about 7-10 grams)
Unbleached coffee filters


Start with small runs, one tube per run. And work your way up until you feel more comfortable doing multiple runs in one. Average yield depends on strain. Mids around 10-15% yeild, high grade 15-25% yeild. But like I said, do some more research and use coffee filters not cheese cloth.

This site wont let me send you a Private Message, wtf kind of bullshit is that? This is what I was going to say....

"Do a lot of research. Toke City and here have loads of info that you should read up on before spraying, i.e best methods and how to purge. Yes use unbleached coffee filters. A bowl is a nice high, but a dab is a clear headed soaring high. That's the best way I can explain it. You'll enjoy yourself."

CrippledArcher said:

I know this may be a hard one to answer,but what are some average yields like say with 28 grams of frosty popcorn nugs in.

What might you suggest with with a first timer running oil, I have about 2zips left of some fruity Sour D that would love to try this on,But don't want to put all my eggs in one basket.

We do have a bad ass head shop so I guess I can take him this picture to blow me a tube like you showed.Would cheese cloth be a good filter to use ?

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What HD said using popcorn and sweet trim, with a single pass column. It all depends on the material.

With prime bud, my record with a repack and second run was 21.6% and the average was closer to 17/18% with the strains that we run.

With our closed system, our record was 23.7% absolute, which is around 25% raw BHO oleoresin, before winterizing.

Popcorn can mean any number of things, and those yields were all over the place.

Doing more research is a good idea, and if you can find some leaf or trim to run first, to shake out any problems, more the better. I developed my own extraction techniques using fan leaves, that were low yield and low quality oil, but were free. Less tears when I blew the bottom out of a column and splattered oil everywhere and fumbling with everything until it was like clockwork.

There is also more to a boro silicate exctraction tube than meets the eye. When your glass worker closes the injection end of the heavy wall, ask him to make at uniform dome radius, of uniform thickness, because with the thermal cycling, if the stresses are not evenly distributed, they will cause spalling of the glass at the injection port when cold.

Also make sure he fully anneals it after forming, to eliminate residual stresses.

I have had the best extraction efficiency, by keeping the ID of my columns under 1".

I use a scientific glass shop to make ours, for that reason and stopped having failures.

Graywolf said:

What HD said using popcorn and sweet trim, with a single pass column. It all depends on the material.

With prime bud, my record with a repack and second run was 21.6% and the average was closer to 17/18% with the strains that we run.

With our closed system, our record was 23.7% absolute, which is around 25% raw BHO oleoresin, before winterizing.

Popcorn can mean any number of things, and those yields were all over the place.

Doing more research is a good idea, and if you can find some leaf or trim to run first, to shake out any problems, more the better. I developed my own extraction techniques using fan leaves, that were low yield and low quality oil, but were free. Less tears when I blew the bottom out of a column and splattered oil everywhere and fumbling with everything until it was like clockwork.

There is also more to a boro silicate exctraction tube than meets the eye. When your glass worker closes the injection end of the heavy wall, ask him to make at uniform dome radius, of uniform thickness, because with the thermal cycling, if the stresses are not evenly distributed, they will cause spalling of the glass at the injection port when cold.

Also make sure he fully anneals it after forming, to eliminate residual stresses.

I have had the best extraction efficiency, by keeping the ID of my columns under 1".

I use a scientific glass shop to make ours, for that reason and stopped having failures.

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Great info Graywolf; will be reading more until begging of March then that when these ladies will be done,plenty of trim to test this out on. So I cut his pictures and your text to take the head shop when the time comes.+rep for you !

Graywolf said:

What HD said using popcorn and sweet trim, with a single pass column. It all depends on the material.

With prime bud, my record with a repack and second run was 21.6% and the average was closer to 17/18% with the strains that we run.

With our closed system, our record was 23.7% absolute, which is around 25% raw BHO oleoresin, before winterizing.

Popcorn can mean any number of things, and those yields were all over the place.

Doing more research is a good idea, and if you can find some leaf or trim to run first, to shake out any problems, more the better. I developed my own extraction techniques using fan leaves, that were low yield and low quality oil, but were free. Less tears when I blew the bottom out of a column and splattered oil everywhere and fumbling with everything until it was like clockwork.

There is also more to a boro silicate exctraction tube than meets the eye. When your glass worker closes the injection end of the heavy wall, ask him to make at uniform dome radius, of uniform thickness, because with the thermal cycling, if the stresses are not evenly distributed, they will cause spalling of the glass at the injection port when cold.

Also make sure he fully anneals it after forming, to eliminate residual stresses.

I have had the best extraction efficiency, by keeping the ID of my columns under 1".

I use a scientific glass shop to make ours, for that reason and stopped having failures.

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First time ive ever seen someone outside of my industry use the term "ID" for the internal diameter of a pipe.....well done! lol

Gonna puff some Chem wax just for that....cheers!

How much butane do you normally blow through a 10 gram tube? Curious to see how much people are using

cannarado said:

How much butane do you normally blow through a 10 gram tube? Curious to see how much people are using

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Sorry to not be a better resource on that question, as before developing the butane recycle system that I currently use, mostly ran larger colums than 10 oz.

I did run some columns in DYI classes, using ~ 3/4" stainless steel turkey baster columns, which ran clear an maybe a half a can of butane, which appeared mostly stripped as viewed at 100X, but I didn't repack them to see what was remaining.

To put it into a weight perspective, our record with a single pass colume was 21% and change raw oleoresin, with one repack and a second extraction. The record was 16% and change on the first pack, with the strains that we typically deal with.

Currently, with 10 soak and flush cycles using fresh butane, our yield of BHO Absolute has never exceeded 23% and heavy change, so I predict that if what you are doing yields you 16% on the first pass, that you have done as well as you are going to, with a single pass.

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics, and all the above numbers mean, is relative to the plants we are using, but the proportions are probably still in perspective for at least ball park estimating many other strains.

Our 23.7% record BHO Absolute yield, was probably closer to ~25% before we winterized it and took out the waxes, which is at least in the same ball park as the folks posting over 30% yield, and of which so far I have only dreamed of.

If you have a microscope and a scale, you should be able to work out expectations for the strain that you are using.

When the bulbous trichome heads are gone, you are done. The remaining stalks, that look like wet fur, are not worth pursueing.

I can second Graywolf's numbers (which makes me feel good since he's a pro at this). With non-reclaim blown through glass, the solvent amount depends on resin content, how tight you pack it, etc. I used to run a 50-60g tube with ~1 to 1.5 of the 300ml cans, 1 run to clear, occasionally a second quick blast that never amounted to much so I stopped wasting the effort.

Thanks for all the info you folks have added to this thread!

Mixed Oil Run

I no longer smoke BHO due to the lubricants used. You cant purge those out like butane.

Smoking these lubricants over time will attack your nervous system.

If you are going to use butane in the very least please try and use human grade butane.

I dont want anyone getting the shakes in a year or two.

Snowblind said:

I no longer smoke BHO due to the lubricants used. You cant purge those out like butane.

Smoking these lubricants over time will attack your nervous system.

If you are going to use butane in the very least please try and use human grade butane.

I dont want anyone getting the shakes in a year or two.

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What lubricants are in butane?

Graywolf said:

What lubricants are in butane?

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Wondering the same thing. Certainly hope there's no lube in my butane..

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What lubricants are in butane?

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Ive been told by a club owner and a maker of serious butane extractions. The person who makes the butane extraction told me that the butane in the can was not fit for human consumption, was never intended for the way we are using it. He went on to further say that there was only one place to get human grade butane. That place is in Texas. He might be wrong but who knows. If you want a cleaner product this higher grade should be used. He went on to say that there are lubricants used in the cans. The lubricants are what help the butane to move through working metal parts. He told me that these lubricants are what prolonged exposure to is very bad when you smoke them. Smoking bho daily might not be very safe.

He might be wrong, but until more is known ive quit, along with many of my friends. In fact we all have now quit smoking bho.

Im not trying to scare anyone or highjack this thread. Im simply relaying what ive been told.

If you are starting with 100% clean butane then im sure your extractions are the best Greywolf. You know what you are doing.

Have you heard reports of anything added to canned butane?

a local collective Elemental Welness does testing on the bho and says solvent free but iono about that lube stuff

Snowblind said:

Ive been told by a club owner and a maker of serious butane extractions. The person who makes the butane extraction told me that the butane in the can was not fit for human consumption, was never intended for the way we are using it. He went on to further say that there was only one place to get human grade butane. That place is in Texas. He might be wrong but who knows. If you want a cleaner product this higher grade should be used. He went on to say that there are lubricants used in the cans. The lubricants are what help the butane to move through working metal parts. He told me that these lubricants are what prolonged exposure to is very bad when you smoke them. Smoking bho daily might not be very safe.

He might be wrong, but until more is known ive quit, along with many of my friends. In fact we all have now quit smoking bho.

Im not trying to scare anyone or highjack this thread. Im simply relaying what ive been told.

If you are starting with 100% clean butane then im sure your extractions are the best Greywolf. You know what you are doing.

Have you heard reports of anything added to canned butane?

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You've been mislead by the club owner and I would advise accepting nothing he says on any subject, until you can tell if he is just ignorant or has a secondary agenda.

There is no need to add any lubricant to butane, because it is a simple alkane hydro carbon that is its own lubricant. There is no difference between butane, oil, or paraffin wax, other than the number of carbons in the chain.

I don't advocate smoking anything, as it is hard on the lungs and produces pyrolic elements that can be carcinigenic. If you want to inhale it more safely, vaporize the oil.

I use canned lighter butane if I need to, and stick to long proven brands. May I put butane in general in perspective?

It is a simple alkane, the smallest of which is methane gas and is one carbon molecule, with its four bonds occupied by hydrogen molecules. It is actually safer than your own farts, because your farts are a mixture of odorless methane, and sulfur containing mercaps.

Ethane is two carbons with the rest of the bonds occupied by hydrogen, and so on up through the simple alkanes. Propane is the next in the line of simple alkane gases, followed by butane, which is a gas above around the freezing point of water and a a liquid below that. The byproduct of burning any of those four alkanes is C02 and water vapor.

As far as production, major refineries get all four of the first gases from raw crude, simply by heating the crude and fractionally condensing the gases as they boil off. They then run the gases through a reactive bed desulphurization process and produce a commercially pure 99% product. The principle impurities are the gases that are closest to n-Butane, which is Isobutane, propane, and cyclopropane. If you will look at the MSDS sheets for all of those ingredients, you will see that they are not toxic at any levels you are apt to encounter them in exctract.

The thing that they do add to n-Butane in a pressurized can, is propane. They do so because at freezing temperatures, n-Butane has no gas pressure, despite it being used as a propellant in food containers.

Butane that is used as a fuel gas, may have ethyl mercaptans added for leak detection, because even though butane does have a slight sweet petroleum odor, it is subtle and ethyl mercaps can be detected at levels below 3 parts per billionth. Ethyl mercaps taste and smell like rotten eggs, which makes that type of butane unsuitable.

Lighter butane has additional refinement to remove any remaining trace paraffin waxes, which clog the small orifices of quality butane lighters. Paraffin in the brands typically used for extraction are below 15 parts per millionth, and are not toxic at those levels.

As far as only butane from Texas being quality, you know that everything is bigger and better there, but R-600, 99% CP, 99.5% Instrument grade, and 99.93% are also readily available in Oregon. They are a damn sight cheaper in Texas.

Thanks for dropping that knowledge on us Graywolf.

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Great info, I just picked up vacuum chamber and pump.. Waiting on extractor, but I'm gonna try this method first.. So Vector is the butane alot of people are using?

jw214 said:

Great info, I just picked up vacuum chamber and pump.. Waiting on extractor, but I'm gonna try this method first.. So Vector is the butane alot of people are using?

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Yeah, search the words butane and 'mirror' and you'll find brand discussion. I've used a lot of vector but switched to lucienne for considerably lower cost and what seems to be a slightly cleaner blend even though it's only 4x (no evidence, jmo based on final purged product comparison, and while secondary to quality price is a powerful suggestor for me).

Surfr said:

Hey bro nice post! Just to let you know though, the power 5x is only really 3x refined.. Much inferior product compared to Vector...

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Surfr said:

Hey bro nice post! Just to let you know though, the power 5x is only really 3x refined.. Much inferior product compared to Vector...

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Both are inferior products and produce a lower quality oil along with unwanted smell! You really want to do it right get 7x dab life tane! Be safe!