lost360 said:

the new rule gave you a chance i think .its to to funny for the greedy ones applying for three thoe thats lots of waisted cash.

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A recent greenhouse project in Canada brought this to our attention. The customer had purchased a number of fan cooled LED panels for an HID retrofit in their greenhouse and when the inspector looked at the fixture markings he did not see where they had been rated for damp locations. He forwarded me the CSA requirements for LED Equipment which they look for and unless it's been tested and passed as a complete package for damp locations they can reject the installation. These are the CSA standards the inspector was referencing. As you can see in Section 9.12.1 this is what they test for in humid environments. In Section 10 it's made clear what they expect the manufacturer to provide in the way of identifying markings on each light that proves they meet this criteria and are listed on the agency's website as suitable for damp location environments.

ELECTRICAL INSPECTORS AND THE OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY & HEALTH ADMINISTRATION (OSHA)
Electrical Inspectors have an ally in enforcing their local regulations and the National Electrical Code where there are requirements for products to be Listed and Labeled in accordance with Section 90-7 of the NEC. Electrical Inspectors are required to assure that all products installed in their jurisdiction are safe and comply with the NEC. To assure this compliance many Inspectors must rely on a label that appears on the product to make their determination of compliance. When the label does not appear the Inspector is usually left with the unpopular option of turning down the product or the installation.

This requires the Electrical Inspector not only to be very observant about the installation he/she is inspecting but also the products that are being installed. Additionally, he/she must also determine that the label is acceptable in his/her jurisdiction and the product is compliant with Section 110-3b of the NEC. If an unlisted product goes undetected and it is a Hazard, the Electrical Inspector could be held accountable. This is an unreasonable burden to be place on an inspector.

OSHA Electrical Standard (Subpart S) requires that all electrical products installed in the work place be listed, labeled or otherwise determined to be safe by a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL). OSHA places the responsibility of this squarely on the Employer. OSHA, defines the building owner, facility or property owner as the employer.

The Electrical Inspector can require the contractor to remove an item not labeled in accordance with Section 90-7 or prevent the facility from opening, etc. OSHA, however can impose fines on the Employer of $7,000.00 to $70,000.00 for each violation. Often the Employer does not even know that a violation exists. OSHA’s involvement would be more effective than the authority a inspector may exert and would also be a major benefit in assisting an inspector with his/her legal responsibilities. The best thing an inspector can do is defer to OSHA the determination that a product legally complies with the standard and Section 90-7 of the NEC. Assuring that as many cord connected or installed devices are properly listed and labeled during an inspection is deferring a lot of the inspectors responsibility over to OSHA.

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All luminaires installed in damp locations shall be marked “Suitable for Wet Locations” or “Suitable for Damp Locations.” then read: N.E.C. 410.10 Luminaires in Specific Locations.

An Underwriters Laboratories Inc. pamphlet entitled Luminaires Marking Guide, 8th Edition, 2009, provides information on markings to help the authority having jurisdiction quickly determine whether common types of UL-listed fluorescent, high-intensity discharge, and incandescent fixtures are suitable for the location and are installed correctly.
(A) Wet and Damp Locations.

Luminaires installed in wet or damp locations shall be installed such that water cannot enter or accumulate in wiring compartments, lampholders, or other electrical parts. All luminaires installed in wet locations shall be marked, “Suitable for Wet Locations.” All luminaires installed in damp locations shall be marked “Suitable for Wet Locations” or “Suitable for Damp Locations.”

Where luminaires are exposed to the weather or subject to water saturation, 410.10(A) requires they be of a type marked “Suitable for Wet Locations.” Correct design, construction, and installation of these luminaires will prevent the entrance of rain, snow, ice, and dust. Outdoor parks and parking lots, outdoor recreational areas (tennis, golf, baseball, etc.), car wash areas, and building exteriors are examples of wet locations.

Luminaires in locations protected from the weather and not subject to water saturation but still exposed to moisture, must be marked “Suitable for Damp Locations” or “Suitable for Wet Locations.” The following are examples of damp locations:

The underside of store or gasoline station canopies or theater marquees

Some cold-storage warehouses

Some agricultural buildings (greenhouse)

Some basements

Roofed open porches and carports

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inthegorge said:

I doubt we will be transporting all at once but your point is well made. The requirements of the LCB here are that first the product has to be in a "quarantine" room for 24 hours prior to transport, the room has to be monitored by cameras so the LCB can "see" it online to and could come and actually inspect it to make sure of volume and that we are not trying to sneak any finished product out of the building....then the vehicle has to be registered with them with a "locked container" that actually bolted to the body of the vehicle for transport. You have to log the time you leave your facility and the time you arrive at the retail outlet. We are actually looking for an armored vehicle to do this with or will have to see what we can do to trick out a van of some sort:-/ Better safe than sorry!

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