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Gmix · Jan 22, 2025

If you ever do go fully organic on newer runs you can ditch the ph meter & live a easier life not having to test or change the ph

I use guano witch is organic it doesn’t take to long to kick in 2 days roughly if you use it as a tea a bit longer if you top dress however it can be tricky as it’s slow release & there’s no chart so you have to read the plants more

I like the fact your looking at building your own soil

Halloweed · Jan 22, 2025

LoveGrowingIt said:
You won't need Epsom salt if you're using calmag.

Ok. Cool.

Halloweed · Jan 22, 2025

Gmix said:
If you ever do go fully organic on newer runs you can ditch the ph meter & live a easier life not having to test or change the ph

I use guano witch is organic it doesn’t take to long to kick in 2 days roughly if you use it as a tea a bit longer if you top dress however it can be tricky as it’s slow release & there’s no chart so you have to read the plants more

I like the fact your looking at building your own soil

I'm trying to learn haha. Only reason I PhD the water is because it's like 9.0 out the faucet.

Eledin · Jan 22, 2025

Halloweed said:
I'm trying to learn haha. Only reason I PhD the water is because it's like 9.0 out the faucet.

Same here, my tap water comes at 9+ ph so I have to treat it. You can get away with a slightly higher ph than 7 in organic but is not optimal. Many people will get away with it because they use osmotized water which has a ph of 6,5 or distilled water which has a ph of 7 but with a high ph from tap water problems will also start showing. If its sligtly more than 7 you can also get away with it because microorganisms do fine from 6 to 7ph and those are the ones that are gonna feed your plant when they decompose the nutrients but you can also increase nutrient uptake by reducing the ph to 6,2 and 6,5 like youre doing. Of course higher and faster nutrient intake is not always good but assuming youre not overfeeding it should be more optimal.

Doublej · Jan 22, 2025

Don't know if you guys have talked about it or not, however just an fyi...if nutrients are added to tap water it's best to PH after nutrients are added, it's the best way to that i have used to balance my base, it's a good problem to solve before any funny business.
Anyway just an fyi

Eledin · Jan 22, 2025

Doublej said:
Don't know if you guys have talked about it or not, however just an fyi...if nutrients are added to tap water it's best to PH after nutrients are added, it's the best way to that i have used to balance my base, it's a good problem to solve before any funny business.
Anyway just an fyi

Good point yes, always ph your water after adding the nutes. I had a supplement that kept putting my water at 5ph, I dont use it now because it was super annoying having to use ph up every time I watered.
EDIT: Just in case, no, it wasnt fermented. The bottle said that the liquid had a PH of 3.

Doublej · Jan 22, 2025

Eledin said:
Good point yes, always ph your water after adding the nutes. I had a supplement that kept putting my water at 5ph, I dont use it now because it was super annoying having to use ph up every time I watered.

That would be a pain
If ph up = more water
If ph down =citric acid
That's how I run it

Eledin · Jan 22, 2025

The more water trick is good but not for me because then I end up with excess water that ferments. Im a cheapskate like that, I wont throw any nuted water hahaha. Im also not a fan of citric acid because is more short lived than other acids that are used to control the PH of the soil, meaning you can burn your roots and your PH wont be stable. I know that biobizz ph down is basically citric acid, it can be used, I just dont like it. I prefeer phosphoric acid and nitric acid which are way more long lived in the soil, general hydroponics ph down is hands down the best in my opinion.
When I started growing I thought I was gonna be using only scraps to grow, that was many years ago, how naive I was. I was giving them compost teas from my kitchen scraps and using lemon juice to decrease the ph, it wasnt long before I ordered bottled nutes so they wouldnt die hahaha.

Eledin · Jan 22, 2025

There has been situations where I had no other choice than to squeeze a lemon but instead of using only lemon I also used apple vinegar and it was just a short temporary fix. I dont like using only citric acid, gave me problems in the past. That said during the first 3 weeks of flower they do like some citric acid, its one of the components of Big Bud from AN.
EDIT: If someone is thinking about buying biobizz ph down just use lemons, they have way more goodies like ascorbic acid, aminoacids, suggars, etc...

Halloweed · Jan 22, 2025

Eledin said:
Good point yes, always ph your water after adding the nutes. I had a supplement that kept putting my water at 5ph, I dont use it now because it was super annoying having to use ph up every time I watered.
EDIT: Just in case, no, it wasnt fermented. The bottle said that the liquid had a PH of 3.

Yeah, I ph after nutes. The first time I watered I realized the nutes change the ph.

Halloweed · Jan 22, 2025

Eledin said:
The more water trick is good but not for me because then I end up with excess water that ferments. Im a cheapskate like that, I wont throw any nuted water hahaha. Im also not a fan of citric acid because is more short lived than other acids that are used to control the PH of the soil, meaning you can burn your roots and your PH wont be stable. I know that biobizz ph down is basically citric acid, it can be used, I just dont like it. I prefeer phosphoric acid and nitric acid which are way more long lived in the soil, general hydroponics ph down is hands down the best in my opinion.
When I started growing I thought I was gonna be using only scraps to grow, that was many years ago, how naive I was. I was giving them compost teas from my kitchen scraps and using lemon juice to decrease the ph, it wasnt long before I ordered bottled nutes so they wouldnt die hahaha.

That's what I've been using. General hydroponics ph down. Been going good so far. I should go the organic route but ph down seems easier.

I too am a cheapskate lol.

Halloweed · Feb 6, 2025

Yikes! I still messed up somewhere, either the medium is still locked out or I just have not been using enough nutes. (Fox farm).

There's still probably another week or 2 or 3 left lol. Do you think it's better to just water to the end or still try nutes? The sugar leaves are dying. Aside from bud rot, will the bud still be usable?

My other plant is fading I think.

Natep · Feb 6, 2025

Doublej said:
Im not a living soil guy

I wasn’t either tell my buddy gave me an earth box with his mix in it. It made me a believer. Now I have three tents growing organic. Once you taste the flavor from a living soil grow you will never go back.

Eledin · Feb 6, 2025

Halloweed said:
Yikes! I still messed up somewhere, either the medium is still locked out or I just have not been using enough nutes. (Fox farm).

There's still probably another week or 2 or 3 left lol. Do you think it's better to just water to the end or still try nutes? The sugar leaves are dying. Aside from bud rot, will the bud still be usable?

My other plant is fading I think.

Can you make a close up pic of a couple of buds of each plant? I think its fairly close but might be the pic playing tricks on me. I downloaded it and zoomed in and I dont know if the pistils are curled or just too pixelated.
How much dose of nutes did you use and how many times since in the time since the first pic to now?

Halloweed · Feb 7, 2025

Eledin said:
Can you make a close up pic of a couple of buds of each plant? I think its fairly close but might be the pic playing tricks on me. I downloaded it and zoomed in and I dont know if the pistils are curled or just too pixelated.
How much dose of nutes did you use and how many times since in the time since the first pic to now?

Sure. I'll take a close up pic this evening after work. The pistils are still a little white and not too curled yet.

I've only been giving tiger bloom @ 1 tsp/gallon. Every other watering but I only water every 3 to 4 days so that may not be enough.

Halloweed · Feb 7, 2025

My camera sucks. I'm not sure if you will be able to see the heads. I checked them with a cheap magnifying glass. They're a little cloudy but I couldn't tell if there were any amber.

Eledin · Feb 7, 2025

The buds look good! I can see some curled pistils but yes there's also white ones. As for the trichomes I cant see shit hahaha but based on the pistils I would give it 1 more week unless the leaf damage is progressing to the bud leaves (doesnt seem to be the case for now, only the tips which you can cut easily after choping). You mentioned bud rot before, do you have it? If so a wash after harvest with water and hydrogen peroxide will dissolved the mold like its cotton candy, exposing the brown rot in the bud, which you can cut with scissors. After the water and hydrogen peroxide bath you will want to rinse in only water and then dry with a fan until theyre not soaking wet before or after hanging them. Turn off the fan as soon as theyre not soaking wet, you dont want them to dry too soon.
EDIT: Dont use tap water unless tap water is great where you live.

Halloweed · Feb 7, 2025

Eledin said:
The buds look good! I can see some curled pistils but yes there's also white ones. As for the trichomes I cant see shit hahaha but based on the pistils I would give it 1 more week unless the leaf damage is progressing to the bud leaves (doesnt seem to be the case for now, only the tips which you can cut easily after choping). You mentioned bud rot before, do you have it? If so a wash after harvest with water and hydrogen peroxide will dissolved the mold like its cotton candy, exposing the brown rot in the bud, which you can cut with scissors. After the water and hydrogen peroxide bath you will want to rinse in only water and then dry with a fan until theyre not soaking wet before or after hanging them. Turn off the fan as soon as theyre not soaking wet, you dont want them to dry too soon.
EDIT: Dont use tap water unless tap water is great where you live.

No bud rot yet. I read that the dying leaves could cause bud rot. My temps around 74f and 52% humidity. I've been keeping that down.

But so far so good Thanks!. I'll keep you posted. Think I'm gonna order a loupe.

Eledin · Feb 7, 2025

Nice job with that climate, should be low risk of mold as long as its properly ventilated which I assume it is.
A loupe will certainly help!

carlosescobar · Feb 8, 2025

Halloweed said:
No bud rot yet. I read that the dying leaves could cause bud rot. My temps around 74f and 52% humidity. I've been keeping that down.

But so far so good Thanks!. I'll keep you posted. Think I'm gonna order a loupe.

i had bud rot last year and it started on the dead stub of sugar leaves i had snipped off, they fall off if you touch them after about a week so now i make sure they are all off.

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