Can you keep moms under flouresents long term without it effecting their genes?

JrrTokein · Nov 21, 2013

Do moms need to be kept under HID lights in order to keep their genes healthy so that future clones will be healthy? I have read that plants cannot be breed as well as they normally can under florescents, and doing so will weaken their offspring. Are there any professional breeders who breed under florescents instead of under HID lights or the sun. I do not need to know if moms can be kept under florescents, just if doing so will weaken their genes or not.

Tank333 · Nov 21, 2013

I'm not a breeder, but I know lots of people who keep their moms under flouros. Works just fine. I personally prefer HID's, but I keep my veg lights backed all the way up to the ceiling.

powerplant · Nov 21, 2013

Good question as I plan on doing some pollen chucking myself!
He's asking if the progeny will lose desired traits, if bred under Florescent lighting instead on HID.

iCultivate · Nov 21, 2013

I don't see how fluoros would effect gene expression, but I'm no expert on the subject.

-- iCultivate --

Seamaiden · Nov 21, 2013

You can keep them under fluorescents just fine. However, once you start cloning cannabis, its physical appearance does begin to change. As you manipulate photoperiod, it can change even more.

Just make sure you've got a good spectrum mix going on, I like to have plenty of daylight bulbs and a few 2,300K-4,00K bulbs. I use shop lights.

Jboys3 · Nov 21, 2013

Seamaiden said:
You can keep them under fluorescents just fine. However, once you start cloning cannabis, its physical appearance does begin to change. As you manipulate photoperiod, it can change even more.

Just make sure you've got a good spectrum mix going on, I like to have plenty of daylight bulbs and a few 2,300K-4,00K bulbs. I use shop lights.

I admit I am getting a lot of useful information from your posts...

I clone, but don't keep Mother plants. I clone the 'flavor of the month' right at the time of moving my plants from the veg room to the bloom room. I have not seen any difference in my cloned plants and some of them have been re-produced well over a couple of years.

What types of physical appearance differences should I be keeping an eye out for?

Seamaiden · Nov 21, 2013

I call it getting 'hairy'. They sprout these fine, weak branchlets off the branches and the main stem and these things make a mess, again IMO. Also, if you're moving a flowering plant back into veg state (I do this often because I usually don't decide IF I want to clone something until I've sampled some of it, or it's far enough along that I feel like I have an idea of how good it is or isn't going to be), then you're going to see the progression of number of leaf lobes or blades change, moving from the plant's normal number (5, 7, 9, 11) to triple-lobed, then single, then back to triple and finally to the normal number of lobes. (Each stage takes approximately 2wks IME.)

Also, node spacing tends to become much tighter due to these side branchlets. I fucking hate those things, seriously.

Jboys3 · Nov 21, 2013

Seamaiden said:
I call it getting 'hairy'. They sprout these fine, weak branchlets off the branches and the main stem and these things make a mess, again IMO. Also, if you're moving a flowering plant back into veg state (I do this often because I usually don't decide IF I want to clone something until I've sampled some of it, or it's far enough along that I feel like I have an idea of how good it is or isn't going to be), then you're going to see the progression of number of leaf lobes or blades change, moving from the plant's normal number (5, 7, 9, 11) to triple-lobed, then single, then back to triple and finally to the normal number of lobes. (Each stage takes approximately 2wks IME.)

Also, node spacing tends to become much tighter due to these side branchlets. I fucking hate those things, seriously.

Interesting. I have not seen this yet, but I do have a new Cinex strain that is quite 'branchy' [is that a new word?] which I received from clones which has this appearance. However; I was told by a long term grower that Cinex is a branch plant to start with.

JrrTokein · Nov 21, 2013

Does anyone know if any professional breeders keep their moms under florescents or do they all use HIDs? Does anyone have a definitive answer if using only flouesents for moms will harm them, so that if they are cloned and their clones are then seeded, it will weaken their genetics in anyway. Using google I keep finding people saying not to ever use floesents if you intend to use the moms for breeding projects, but I would really like to get a good answer from an actually professional breeder. Thanks for all the replies.

squiggly · Nov 21, 2013

woodsmaneh · Nov 24, 2013

Most breeders don't use florescent lights for moms, they use MH. Why because they can and they produce quicker results for lots of clones. Lots of amateur growers use what ever they can afford and that's floros.

squiggly · Nov 24, 2013

Woodmaneh hits on the real question which is, should you do this?

The answer is no, fluorescent lights don't produce growth that is as vigorous as MH--however, if you're just a personal at-home operation then fluoros will work fine. Light plays almost no role in genetic heritability.

Seamaiden · Nov 25, 2013

Moms=breeding? I thought the OP was talking about moms for cloning.

JrrTokein · Nov 26, 2013

Thanks for all the replies everyone. To clarify I was asking if moms could be kept under flouresents permanently and if the clones that they would produce still be the same as clones that where taken from a mom which was grown under HIDs in terms passing on their genes when bred.

soserthc1 · Nov 26, 2013

Seamaiden said:
I call it getting 'hairy'. They sprout these fine, weak branchlets off the branches and the main stem and these things make a mess, again IMO. Also, if you're moving a flowering plant back into veg state (I do this often because I usually don't decide IF I want to clone something until I've sampled some of it, or it's far enough along that I feel like I have an idea of how good it is or isn't going to be), then you're going to see the progression of number of leaf lobes or blades change, moving from the plant's normal number (5, 7, 9, 11) to triple-lobed, then single, then back to triple and finally to the normal number of lobes. (Each stage takes approximately 2wks IME.)

Also, node spacing tends to become much tighter due to these side branchlets. I fucking hate those things, seriously.

I have found this statement to be true also but seems more common with top clones as apposed to lower's and seems to decrease the onset of flower by a week or so ... just my observations thou , not fact .. kinda liking the cloning idea of after stretch as to eliminate all the clones laying around for 3-4 months but think i might be worried i would lose something special but it comes down to the risk of each clone being 2lb in the wrong eyes .... huh have to give this 1 some thought .... good stuff sea

Tank333 · Nov 26, 2013

JrrTokein said:
Thanks for all the replies everyone. To clarify I was asking if moms could be kept under flouresents permanently and if the clones that they would produce still be the same as clones that where taken from a mom which was grown under HIDs in terms passing on their genes when bred.

Yes, the clones they will produce will be of the exact same genetic material of the mom.

squiggly said:
Light plays almost no role in genetic heritability.

soserthc1 · Nov 27, 2013

Tank333 said:
Yes, the clones they will produce will be of the exact same genetic material of the mom.

As long as grown under the same environmental conditions - needs to be mentioned as well ...

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