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Since no one took the time to show dosage amounts and to prove it is in fact cheaper by the gallon I took it upon myself. Also, I went in search of this stuff online and couldn't find the 5-12-26 product for sale so I cannot verify the pricing.
At 130ounces in 1000 gallons it uses 3.705 grams per gallon.
A 25lbs bag is going to hold ~11,340 grams.
At $24 per bag that's $0.00212 per gram.
Which means this system would cost $0.0078 per gallon.
I also could find no pricing, or the product itself, of the 15.5-0-0 Calcium Nitrate.
At 86 ounces in 1000 gallons it uses 2.45g per gallon
At the same pricing of $24 for a 25lbs bag that is $0.0052 per gallon.
The total is $0.013 per gallon to run this system at the suggested strength on the bags above, which I would guess balances out to around 1.5ec or 1.6ec.
Comparatively, to achieve this same EC with a similar ratio using AN GMB (@5ml each) you'd be looking at more like $0.10 to $0.12 per gallon (at 4L prices).
To put that a little more clearly, Advanced Nutrients is charging $220 to make the same final number of gallons of solution at the same concentration at roughly the same ratios that you could be getting with ~$50 in Jack's Professional stuff.
Just FYI but virtually NONE of the mentioned hydro companies make their own fertilizers. This is why I always laugh when I hear people talk about AN and their "specially formulated nutrients just for cannabis." They are NOT specially formulated for cannabis at all - they are relabeled existing ag products, that is it. There is not one single thing that AN or most of the other hydro companies makes that is actually unique or specially formulated. Anything and everything they sell comes from the commercial ag industry - all they do is break it down, dilute it, relabel it, and then charge a 800-1000% mark up. All you are paying for when you buy from those companies is the fancy label most of the time, that is it.
Well, the major hydro companies at least formulate their products for Cannabis specifically. Its a fairly unique formula that cannabis uses best, fairly similar to tomatoes, very potassium heavy in bloom phase. I think they are actually formulating their products, just charging a high markup.
Holla DS,:)
I did a little reading over at the mag, was really impressed with the results people were getting with Jack's.
On a side note I still havn't heard back from the Jr peters people about the heavy metal break down for the 5-12-26
if I don't hear back from them by tomorrow ill give them a ring.
Interested in seeing what you choose to run for your next round.
There are few products GH, AN or any other cannabis geared hydro company sells that there is not a identical ag alternative to. Most of these companies do NOT make their own products.
There is a reason you will never, ever see a single farmer or nursery owner or anyone else in the real ag industry running the same nutrients as most growers do. Why? Because they can buy the exact same thing for a fraction of the price.
The only thing really unique about the nutrient profiles of cannabis is the quantities that it uses, especially of some of the maco nutrients. Other than that it is like most other plants. You do not need expensive or overly complex nutrients to grow good plants. Just look around on the forums and you can find many examples of people with kick ass grows in all sorts of styles using nothing more than simple, basic ag type fertilizers.
what are the primary differences between hydro and soil nutes?
Where i`m located you can have anything custom formulated by an agri company as long as you order a minimum of 1 metric ton. You`re only talking $3000/ton, which is nothing to a nute company. To put it into perspective, a ton would make about 530,000gal of nutes with an ec of 2. Close to what an olympic swimming pool holds (660k gal)
Right now I run greenleafnutrients, and no, nutrients aren't that expensive in their base cost, it just seems a lot of manufacturers are scared to make formulas for "marijuana" specifically. As if making a fertilizer for an illegal crop would somehow be incriminating? Also, companies that specifically make marijuana fertilizers, seem to not want to make dry nutrients, simply because imo, having liquid formulas justifies their higher prices portraying it as a 'specialty item.'
Cool. So I can try and keep this all straight, the key points between hydro and soil formulas are:
Type of N
PH buffering
Non-chelated for soil due to enzymes and bacteria. Does media containing mostly peat moss contain these enzymes and bacteria in sufficient numbers to not have to use chelated nutes?
Micro salts are more available in soil. However, I'm messing with peat mixes and I presume there are no micros present. Perhaps I should be thinking hydro formulations?
It's good to know GH and AN make powders. I won't touch AN products but I may look to GH for some guidance.
Mr. Squirrel. Thanks for the links.
I'm going to have a custom formulation made for me in the next month or so I'm trying to get my head, at least loosely, around this topic. I've used CNS exclusively for years and will mostly mimic it's formulation but I also want to make sure I'm coming up with the best formulation without getting another advanced degree.
Thanks & Peace
GH and AN both make powder nutes.
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