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I am not a good cloner, I would never make it on Kamino. My success rate is about 20% and I have tried everything. The images are my current attempt. These have been going for a week now and have yet to show any roots. The temp is 70degrees the humidity dome is always humid. The rockwool is wet, not soaked. Any advice? Thank you!
 
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I also used Clonex this time to see if it makes a difference.
 
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Patience and a small amount of light. I don't use rockwool i use soil mix. I just keep it moist with the dome on and have a small T5 grow light. It takes at least 14days or longer to see growth.
 

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Get them in trays or pots, the roots don't want light they will air prune or turn green and try to perform photosynthesis the way they are 5.8 pH and let them breathe, I blow a lung full of co2 in the dome everytime I close it, Crack it after 2-3 days, wipe out excess moisture daily
 
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I use an aero cloner. It's probably the easiest way. My success rate is close to 100%. Yes, its the cloner ... roots usually show in 7 days and ready for planting shortly afterwards. The only negative is a small aero cloner will probably run about $100 USD.
 
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I use rockwool sometimes. I found that they like temps + 70°f and i put them in a window that they get good sunlight for an hr or 2 late day the rest is bright diffused light(defused by the blinds). I have about a 90% success rate. Before that it was a struggle. Also i try to let my water line slowly decline. It seems to make the roots search for the water. I may add nutes after the 6 day mark. Fish emulsion or similar seems to work for me.
 
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FarmerN said:
I am not a good cloner, I would never make it on Kamino. My success rate is about 20% and I have tried everything. The images are my current attempt. These have been going for a week now and have yet to show any roots. The temp is 70degrees the humidity dome is always humid. The rockwool is wet, not soaked. Any advice? Thank you!View attachment 2442880View attachment 2442881View attachment 2442879View attachment 2442879
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Your cuttings look fine so far. The leaves are still green and nothing looks wilted. I would assume you would see signs of rooting within the next few days ... say 10 days? It's going to be slower than an aero cloner but I don't see anything suggesting yours won't root.
 
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I can relate. I have struggled on cloning for some time I recently bit the bullet and dug in, took notes, tried different things with dozens of cuts. I am probably 80%+ now. I use rapid rooter plugs. I could never figure out the moisture level with rockwool.

Mother plants have to be healthy and watered.

By far, the most important things are temp (75f), moisture (wet but not dripping/soaking wet media) humidity at least 80% to 90% initially and enough light.
Plant tops will root better than lowers.
Some say lower cuts are better because there is more auxin in lowers. That has not been my experience. A lower cut will root, just not as fast and vigorous as an upper cut.
Most roots will show at 10 days, sometimes a few days earlier, sometimes up to 15 days. Most are day 10 or 11.

Clonex or Hormex or root tone clone liquid or powder will work. I use Clonex liquid at 20ml per gallon. Put a small glob of Clonex gel in your cut cup along with Clonex liquid. . I also dip into Clonex gel or Hormex powder just before I stick it.

Ph your solution to 6.

I have the best luck with 6-7” cuts.

Put your cuts in the solution and let them sit for 10-15minutes or half a day even. Your cut is just below a node. Cutting at 45 degrees seems to be over rated. I do it but a straight cut works also. Shaving a side of the root often gives me stem rot. I don’t do that anymore.

Cut away any duplicate fan leaves. Leave one set at the top. Trim the leaf tips 40%, mostly for room in your nursery tray.

Soak the plugs in the identical solution as your cuts soak in. Wring excess water from the plugs so they won’t drip but still have solution that would come out easily with more squeezing. Too wet and the stems rot, too dry and they won’t take. It’s a conundrum until you dial it in. It is better to be a bit too wet than a bit too dry.

Dip the cut after soaking into Clonex, hormex or root tone liquid, powder or gel and stick it in the plug. You want the end of the cut in the middle of the plug.

Keep temp at 75f to 77f with a seedling mat. Keep humidity 80%+. 90% humidity is probably better for the first couple days. Start to harden your cuts day 5ish by taking the cover off for a few minutes and increasing this daily.

Start to lower humidity daily 85, 80, 75, 70 after 3-5 days with opening vents or propping up the top a little.
After a few days a lower than 90% humidity will help promote root growth. My rig settles in around 75% after a couple days.

I will mist them the first day only unless I see them wilting. I rarely have to mist more than twice. Plain water mist.

I use an acinfinity controller to monitor this and track data. Not needed but you do want a temp and humidity meter in your setup and you want to stay at those numbers.

Keep the plugs wet enough they won’t drip water but would if you squeezed them. I use a squeeze bottle with
Use your Clonex solution (mix a gallon at a time) to water the plugs if they get too dry. I probably water them twice in 10 days. The roots will air prune if the outside of the plug is fairly dry and they will never show roots.

I had always heard to keep the lights very low. Too low and the cuts will stall and sit there for weeks until the stem rots. They need enough light to grow but not wilt. You should be able to see plant growth (leaves) after 7 days or your light level is too low. I use 175-200ppfd if you have a light meter.

When you transplant to media, put a bag or large clear cup over the plant for a day to minimize shock wilting. Pull it after a day. If they wilt, give them cover for another day. If they wilt after 2 days your light is too strong or they are weak clones and should be culled.

Water your media well after planting with your Clonex solution and use it for the next couple weeks. (I use soil).

Then there is the guy that gets 100% roots after 5 days in a plain glass of water on the dashboard of his car. I’m not him.

Practice, keep notes, experiment. It will click soon enough and won’t be a problem again.
Good luck.
 
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I stopped with spraying them and keeping it above 90% humidity. I kiss eaverything.
Cause im an idiot. i try and Keep It Simple Stupid. Less work for me or surrogates im cool. 13l2 hrs on the k method might be perfecto for my situation
 
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I stopped with spraying them and keeping it above 90% humidity. I kiss eaverything.
Cause im an idiot. i try and Keep It Simple Stupid. Less work for me or surrogates im cool. 13l2 hrs on the k method might be perfecto for my situation
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Lowering the humidity is moving in the right direction imo (65/80%), if you increase your temps with that to mid/high 70s you'll get better success and quicker.
 
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Like everything else there are many ways to clone this plant and they all work once you do it a couple of times.

I have used a heat mat but now I only use it during the coldest winter months if necessary. Put a towel between the clone dome
and the heat mat and set to 75-78. This way the bottom of the tray won't get too hot and evaporate all your moisture and you won't
get the smell of plastic. I never had an issue burning or singing the towel. Wipe the moisture off the dome twice a day so that
humidity doesn't get to 100 %.

Equipment that I use

Clone Dome
T5 light or whatever you have
Cloning gel
Rapid Rooters

First and foremost. Make sure you are starting with a healthy plant. I take cuts the day after I feed/water. Take more than you need
if possible. Some might not make it or you can take the best if they all make it. Don't overcrowd the dome.

I take the cuts longer than I need and clean up the bottom leaving the top and 1 other node. These go into a solo cup of water that
has been in a bucket with an air stone. I put them under the t5 for 2-3 days with light on 24/7. I believe this helps them recover after
the WTF just happened to me moment of being cut. I have left them up to 10 days in the solos and had no problems.

Soak the Rapid Rooters for 5-10 minutes in water. Heavy mist on the tray bottom but not enough to pool. Take the plug out of the water
but don't squeeze out the excess. You can cut off 40% of the top leaf as Tmick said or don't. Works both ways. The bottom cut is just below
a node. I do the 45 degree cut and then gently scrape the sides an inch or so from the bottom. I break wooden stir sticks in 2 pieces so I have
4 clean ends to dip in the rooting gel. Use each end only once. Don't dip the end of the clone in the container because any disease/issue
will stay in the container. Put the cuts under the dome with vents closed.

Daily maintenance is as follows. I take the dome off twice a day for a few minutes. This changes the air and I check that there is still
moisture on the tray bottom and also check that the plugs are still moist. Mine stay moist for 3-5 days and then I spray them when
needed. I don't spray the cut but you can. Mist the dome and put it back on. Around day 3-4 I crack the vents open about 25%.
Every day open the vents a little more and by day 8 they should be open all the way.

Some will pop roots faster than others. I have had roots in 5 days. Very rare. I have had roots take 12 days. Also very rare.
Normally 7-8 days for me.

Don't leave the cuts in the tray for too long. I grow with soil. I transplant to solos or 1 gallon pots around day 11-12 and add Mycorrhizae around
the roots. I will leave them under the t5 24/7 light for a couple of days with a gentle fan breeze. Then into the veg tent under 18/6 led.

I have done it this way for years and the only clones that don't make it are excess that I don't need.

Good luck with whatever method you choose.
 
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And i do remove the dome after they root, i don't spray my clones much and don't over water them
 
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FarmerN said:
I am not a good cloner, I would never make it on Kamino. My success rate is about 20% and I have tried everything. The images are my current attempt. These have been going for a week now and have yet to show any roots. The temp is 70degrees the humidity dome is always humid. The rockwool is wet, not soaked. Any advice? Thank you!View attachment 2442880View attachment 2442881View attachment 2442879View attachment 2442879
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How do you get 2 of 4 t5 bulbs to work?
I've a t5s lighwave but they're all on or all off I'd like the option if possible?
 
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How do you get 2 of 4 t5 bulbs to work?
I've a t5s lighwave but they're all on or all off I'd like the option if possible?
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Just untwist the ones you don’t want on. Or remove them.
 
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FarmerN said:
I am not a good cloner, I would never make it on Kamino. My success rate is about 20% and I have tried everything. The images are my current attempt. These have been going for a week now and have yet to show any roots. The temp is 70degrees the humidity dome is always humid. The rockwool is wet, not soaked. Any advice? Thank you!View attachment 2442880View attachment 2442881View attachment 2442879View attachment 2442879
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Remember no matter what the medium is doing the plant will always uptake nutrients through their leaves, seagreen is a great mild foliar spray you can use on clones and its cost effective 1ml/g, Ive been doing roots organic terp tea(grow), lactobacillus and seagreen on veg plants and rotating regalia in place of the tea for foliars and they love it
 
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Follow up: at 3 1/2 weeks there are some roots just starting on the cuts.
 
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