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What's good fellow farmers. After reading a book called "let it rot" about three or four months ago and getting into brewing teas for my girls I decided to start my own wormless indoor compost pile. I started with about a 1 gallon promix and the same amount of Coco. Mixed in some coffee grinds fan leaves and wet coffee filters. Since then everything I can think of goes in there lol. Little bit of bat crap chicken crap worm crap all types of crap and all types of kitchen scrap minus dairy or meat. It is so alive it isn't even funny. Bought a compost thermometer a couple weeks ago and it gets up to 150 regularly so I know it's working. I've also added some of caps bennies some voodoo juice and piranha as well as my used tea bags as well. I spray about a quarter of a litre water and molasses once a week to keep moist. This compost is now the main ingredient in my microbial teas and let me tell you they foam up in under 8 hours. Today I noticed some soil mites and I'm so excited. Lol first thing I can actually see. Obviously I'm having almost as much fun with my pile as I do growing my girls. Sorry this was so long but just wanted to share and hear from others if they also compost. And one question. I Grow in Coco so how would I go about incorporating this compost into my grows. Finally do the soil mites pose any problem with my ladies if I do use this stuff in my Coco perlite mix! Thanks ahead of time and thanks for reading.
 
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Unfortunately I do not compost right now, so I can not give any advice to ur As. However I think that what u r doing is wonderful and encourages me to start. Had one when I was younger for the veggie garden. I'd like to start one up again.:cat:
 
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Composting inside takes some guts for sure. I can imagine with all the delicious goodies you've been adding that your pile does have some amazing life. Only things I notice from your post are:

1) Foaminess is a fairly mythical way to judge the microbiological activity of your tea. you can have a wonderful hoard developing with almost no foam and vice versa. Indeed, water with just molasses in it can foam up pretty good, all on its own and if you have anything that can act as a surfactant then your bubbles are indicators of surfactant activity rather than an indication of microbial life/activity.

2) be careful with manures, particularly inside, particularly if you're getting any of your manures from a local source, particularly horses, cattle, and other field grazers. These manures should be aged before added to a compost pile so any harmful plant seed etc. can die off before germinating/growing and causing you headaches. Of course, from the sounds of it, these are mostly store bought manures/guanos (unless you're an avid spelunker, which would be badass!) and are probably totally safe/preaged. just a head's up on that one--and its probably way more important for an outdoor garden than for containers.

3)"soil mite" encompasses a lot (1000s) of species of mite. Among them are predatory mites, which can be considered beneficials because they prey on pests; detritivorous mites, which help to break down organic matter and eat rotting/dead plant and other microbial matter. They can also be beneficial, and will largely not harm living plant roots. There are also phytophagous (plant eating) mites which would obviously be bad to have. If the mites you see are slow moving (to the point of appearing to be stationary) and are of a whitish coloration, then they are most likely detritivores. They like a very moist habitat and usually show up in vermicomposting systems when moisture content has become too high. They do not constitute a problem, per se, but if their populations grow to the infestation level, it can be an indication that you're pile is a little over-moist.

4) Let me preface this by saying I don't grow in straight coco, but I would imagine that plain old topdressing compost directly on top of the coco would work. I don't know how it will effect the porosity and texture of the soil, but if your compost seem particularly "muddy" when water is added to it, you might think about adding some aeration before using it (like crushed pumice, or just perlite). It may be more effective to continue to apply it via tea, but coco growers will have to chime in to get you better advice than this.

5) You probably don't need to add any mycorrhizal supplementation, especially since there aren't any roots in your compost pile with which such fungi could develop their symbiotic relationship. mycorrhizae, added to straight soils without plants (i.e. root systems) in it just end up dying off and becoming more organic matter to decompose in the soil (by detritivores like your mites!). I don't know if this fits the bill for any of the stuff you listed but voodoo juice and piranha sound like they might. Save 'em for transplanting and apply directly to the root system.

compost is very cool and if you're cool with organisms sharing your abode, i would highly recommend doing a vermicompost bin alongside your pile. And, if you really get into it--and have the room-- try a cool compost pile outdoors, one that you never have to turn and that never really heats up or anything, but rather decomposes over the course of a year. Each year you can have 27cu.Ft of super loamy compost with just a 3x3x3 pile, and that is some great stuff to work with!

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Composting inside takes some guts for sure. I can imagine with all the delicious goodies you've been adding that your pile does have some amazing life. Only things I notice from your post are:

1) Foaminess is a fairly mythical way to judge the microbiological activity of your tea. you can have a wonderful hoard developing with almost no foam and vice versa. Indeed, water with just molasses in it can foam up pretty good, all on its own and if you have anything that can act as a surfactant then your bubbles are indicators of surfactant activity rather than an indication of microbial life/activity.

2) be careful with manures, particularly inside, particularly if you're getting any of your manures from a local source, particularly horses, cattle, and other field grazers. These manures should be aged before added to a compost pile so any harmful plant seed etc. can die off before germinating/growing and causing you headaches. Of course, from the sounds of it, these are mostly store bought manures/guanos (unless you're an avid spelunker, which would be badass!) and are probably totally safe/preaged. just a head's up on that one--and its probably way more important for an outdoor garden than for containers.

3)"soil mite" encompasses a lot (1000s) of species of mite. Among them are predatory mites, which can be considered beneficials because they prey on pests; detritivorous mites, which help to break down organic matter and eat rotting/dead plant and other microbial matter. They can also be beneficial, and will largely not harm living plant roots. There are also phytophagous (plant eating) mites which would obviously be bad to have. If the mites you see are slow moving (to the point of appearing to be stationary) and are of a whitish coloration, then they are most likely detritivores. They like a very moist habitat and usually show up in vermicomposting systems when moisture content has become too high. They do not constitute a problem, per se, but if their populations grow to the infestation level, it can be an indication that you're pile is a little over-moist.

4) Let me preface this by saying I don't grow in straight coco, but I would imagine that plain old topdressing compost directly on top of the coco would work. I don't know how it will effect the porosity and texture of the soil, but if your compost seem particularly "muddy" when water is added to it, you might think about adding some aeration before using it (like crushed pumice, or just perlite). It may be more effective to continue to apply it via tea, but coco growers will have to chime in to get you better advice than this.

5) You probably don't need to add any mycorrhizal supplementation, especially since there aren't any roots in your compost pile with which such fungi could develop their symbiotic relationship. mycorrhizae, added to straight soils without plants (i.e. root systems) in it just end up dying off and becoming more organic matter to decompose in the soil (by detritivores like your mites!). I don't know if this fits the bill for any of the stuff you listed but voodoo juice and piranha sound like they might. Save 'em for transplanting and apply directly to the root system.

compost is very cool and if you're cool with organisms sharing your abode, i would highly recommend doing a vermicompost bin alongside your pile. And, if you really get into it--and have the room-- try a cool compost pile outdoors, one that you never have to turn and that never really heats up or anything, but rather decomposes over the course of a year. Each year you can have 27cu.Ft of super loamy compost with just a 3x3x3 pile, and that is some great stuff to work with!

HTH
be easy,
Dr.J
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What's up doc! Lol. Thank u for an awesome post. That's why I made the thread. I've been growing for years but composting for a short time but I am enjoying it. Just to address some of your points. I realize foam in a tea doesn't mean much. Just an observation that all ingredients being equal my current compost teas foam faster than my old ones just using worm castings as a bacterial source. No surfactants added unless I'm foliar feeding and that wouldn't be until after brew. You are correct on my SHIT sources being bought at my hydro store. Have u seen the bugs in a bat cave. I'm a pretty big guy with a deep voice but if I was put near bugs like that I'd run like a track star and scream like a woman. Lol. It's weird that I can stand the mites. Lol. I used to grow all organic in soil and I've had these mites before they are good guys. In total agreement that they showed up because my pile is slightly more damp than its been in the past. I would assume they will be killed off once my pile heats up again. You mentioned perlite. This is one of the amazing things. I've added perlite more than once and within two days it just disappears. I end up finding a coalish looking rock like a solid black Rock. I'll take a pic of it just for the hell of it next time I add some. Pretty cool. I Grow in a Coco perlite mix and I am going to forgo trying to mix this stuff in. I do add a small amount of worm castings to my mix but that's going to be it. I am however going to grab some vermifire just to try it and add my compost to that plant. Quit soil years ago but since I started this venture I'm going to grow one plant and see if tlo is something I want to go back to. As for mycrorihize I add mycos directly to roots or clones at plant time or transplant time. Currently using root bloom and loving it. Finally the reason for adding the voodoo and piranha was simply for the hell of it. Lol. Had about 10mls of each left and don't use either any more so just threw it in. So that about does it. I again want to thank you for ur extremely informative and we'll thought out post. I'm going to add you to people I follow if you don't mind and look forward to speaking to you again in the future!

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I have a half gallon of iguana juice that's about 5 years old and was thinking of adding it to my compost pile. What do you all think is this going to be beneficial or should I dispose of it some other way?
 
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Oregon Grown said:
I have a half gallon of iguana juice that's about 5 years old and was thinking of adding it to my compost pile. What do you all think is this going to be beneficial or should I dispose of it some other way?
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I'm not really sure to be honest. Never read the label on ig juice. It's supposed to be organic so I'd say go right ahead. I can't see it having anything in it that would hurt ur pile. In the worst case scenario it's water. Lol. I'd say go for it.
 
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