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That's good. Being flexible is good. It should all be fun too. Botany course........chat room....;)Yup you got it… i try to be as literal as i can because i find using the proper terminology important to answering anything accurately. Plus it leaves less room for confusion or error.
i know to some it can be a pita but just how my mind works
I don’t necessarily feel senescence is good or bad per se just a natural process and sooo much depends on so many different variable that again like most things cannabis you cant make an accurate blanket statement one way or the otherHere's another good question. Do we want to harvest cannabis when it's in senescence? Maybe, maybe not. We don't judge harvest time by how much the leaves are yellowing and dying. Clearly the soil we have has plenty of nitrogen.........indoors we don't have the luxury of nearly unlimited nutrients.
I think this Straw/Widow is mostly sativa. Man if I knew what a late fall we were gonna have I would have planted Columbian gold, Panama red, a couple of Thais.... I wonder how far this plant could have made it if it had more time in a warmer climate. It's actually quite good. For a few reasons some friends up here love it (I still have plenty, and it wasn't the only one), there was another one that was a natural....triploid? Not triploid....not tripod, that would mean it had 3 feet......it split into 3 leaf sets instead of 2 very early....
People up here don't try mostly Sativas. This was me just testing the land and making seeds. They have early varieties so this was very different. I let it go long after everyone else cut. I rolled the dice on seeds. And, I'd say most people don't properly cure. I was trying theirs on Oct 1st. I didn't share mine until Dec 1st and after. So as comical as it is every time I cut up a bud and 30 seeds tink out onto the tray.......one smell and taste and they can tell the difference.
OK, I'm gonna poke my nose where it doesn't belong probably, but here is my understandingThe answer is in the question… yes always because thats what senescence is.
Thats not to say that senescence always occurs by the time harvest comes around but almost always to some degree or another
Yeah makes sense I can see your point. To me senescence doesnt mean death. its more degradation of function due to cellular aging which leads to lack of photosynthesis in those tissues and thus fade but not death until the point is reached that the degradation is so great that death occurs.OK, I'm gonna poke my nose where it doesn't belong probably, but here is my understanding
My definition of senescence is aging. It starts as soon as the organism is alive. As soon as you are born you start dying kinda thing.
Senescence (/sɪˈnɛsəns/) or biological aging is the gradual deterioration of functional characteristics in living organisms. The word senescence can refer to either cellular senescence or to senescence of the whole organism. Organismal senescence involves an increase in death rates and/or a decrease in fecundity with increasing age, at least in the latter part of an organism's life cycle.
Senescence is the inevitable fate of almost all multicellular organisms with germ-soma separation,[1][2] but it can be delayed. The discovery, in 1934, that calorie restriction can extend lifespan by 50% in rats, and the existence of species having negligible senescence and potentially immortal organisms such as Hydra, have motivated research into delaying senescence and thus age-related diseases. Rare human mutations can cause accelerated aging diseases.
Environmental factors may affect aging – for example, overexposure to ultraviolet radiation accelerates skin aging. Different parts of the body may age at different rates. Two organisms of the same species can also age at different rates, making biological aging and chronological aging distinct concepts.
So I answered no because fade is not a prerequisite to dying.
We see this when we pull dead leaves off the bottom of the plant as one example. But dead fan leaves =/= fade.
Anyhow, I got no skin in this fight, just explaining why I said no in the survey.
And anyone that answered sometimes also answered no based on the way the question was worded lol.
I think we would completely agree if we defined the terms the same. Even fade can have a different definition. Either way it’s academic at this point.Yeah makes sense I can see your point. To me senescence doesnt mean death. its more degradation of function due to cellular aging which leads to lack of photosynthesis in those tissues and thus fade but not death until the point is reached that the degradation is so great that death occurs.
So i cannot help but feel you cannot have senescence without fade or atleast the yellowing is caused by senescence. Im just confusing myself now lol
thing is, for plants it's not only important to just complete the seeds, but also to maximize the amount of seeds - as that then offers a greater evolutionairy viability. Alot of what plants do can be roughly understood by using "evolutionairy play theory", as the sheer amount of plants and their sessility forces them into this harsh optimization. So their natural incentive is grow and flower as long as possible, and then to finish at the right time.and the length of flowering is set in such a way to still be successful before freezing cold arrives.
I've seen a lot of variability in clones from the same mother, some grow bigger, some smaller some produce more weight, taste better, ripen differently etc. I think a lot has to do with how metabolically active they are, which is determined by a host of variables.I would have just shrugged it off if not for this post.....Lots of stuff happens I can't figure out and I don't bother with the fine details of why. You can clearly see in one of my above pics the green on the left and the other 2 have faded like normal for me at 10 weeks...I scoped the buds yesterday and they're not ready but they both look the same with few amber and still some clear heads
Its a process thats in play all the time. Its not a plant thing per se it can be a single leaf showing senescenceWould you all consider that outdoor one I posted "in senescence"? I really don't know how much longer it would have lived/flowered/ripened......and died.....if not for the fact that it was Nov 1st and up north (Upper NY State near Canada). Throw in the fact that I fully pollinated it and I was really surprised at how long it went. I pollinated it on the early side. I think the male I chose dropped pollen around the middle of August. Different strains behave differently, but most don't just stop flowering and focus only on seed once pollinated. This one kept flowering for another 70+ days. Although I also wonder whatbit would have looked like if I didn't pollinate it.
Would you all consider that outdoor one I posted "in senescence"? I really don't know how much longer it would have lived/flowered/ripened......and died.....if not for the fact that it was Nov 1st and up north (Upper NY State near Canada). Throw in the fact that I fully pollinated it and I was really surprised at how long it went. I pollinated it on the early side. I think the male I chose dropped pollen around the middle of August. Different strains behave differently, but most don't just stop flowering and focus only on seed once pollinated. This one kept flowering for another 70+ days. Although I also wonder whatbit would have looked like if I didn't pollinate itit.
Sometimes I get accused of being a grammar nazi but it's annoying listening to someone trying to explain something without using the proper terminology. I get that you may not be an expert but at least learn a few terms so that we can get to the heart of whatever it is you're trying to explain and try and bypass as much of the 20 questions part when it comes to trying to understand the issue in its entirety.Yup you got it… i try to be as literal as i can because i find using the proper terminology important to answering anything accurately. Plus it leaves less room for confusion or error.
i know to some it can be a pita but just how my mind works
It was definitely cold. I don't know what other factors were at play genetically and time-wise, but of the 3, 2 turned purple, 1 stayed green. None of them turned yellow....Could be for sure, it doesn't always have to be yellow leaves, yours appears to be showing anthocyanin pigmentation which is only really noticeable when chlorophyll degrades. Some plants will fade out yellow, some redish, some purple.
I cut at like day 70 last time. now i'm at day 92 much more faded and it seems to be barely fattening anymore. I'll chop tomorrow.
Are you making your decision when to harvest based on leaf fade?'m starting to think trichs are like a myth. Because this plant is faded AF.
As the only difference is the type of medium being used, but i am over looking it either way senescence is going to happen at some stage....whatever happened to the "harvest window period"In which way do you mean?
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