Do I need more light?

Newty · Sep 15, 2024

For what you're working with, you're not doing to bad.
I know it's been mentioned a lot and you've been a little defensive but more light will do you good, especially for your next grow.
It's not just about how many watts you have, also has to do with the quailty of light the fixtures puts out.

You can keep buying cheap lights but in the end you will spend just as much doing that as you would buying a decent light from the beginning.
5 cheap $20 lights is still $100 or you can get 1 decent light for $100 or less.

Here are some decent lights for $100 or less,
-AC Infinity Ionboard S22 (115 watts)
(Promo code CANUCK10 will give you 10% off direct from their website, also works on Amazon)
-Spider Farmer SF1000 Evo (100 watts)
-Mars Hydro FC1500 or FCE1500 (150 watts)
-Viparspectra XS1500 Pro (150 watts)

Coppermike · Sep 15, 2024

Newty said:
For what you're working with, you're not doing to bad.
I know it's been mentioned a lot and you've been a little defensive but more light will do you good, especially for your next grow.
It's not just about how many watts you have, also has to do with the quailty of light the fixtures puts out.

You can keep buying cheap lights but in the end you will spend just as much doing that as you would buying a decent light from the beginning.
5 cheap $20 lights is still $100 or you can get 1 decent light for $100 or less.

Here are some decent lights for $100 or less,
-AC Infinity Ionboard S22 (115 watts)
(Promo code CANUCK10 will give you 10% off direct from their website, also works on Amazon)
-Spider Farmer SF1000 Evo (100 watts)
-Mars Hydro FC1500 or FCE1500 (150 watts)
-Viparspectra XS1500 Pro (150 watts)

Thanks, not trying to be defensive just adding that I’ve put more light since the beginning of the plants life, and I’d also like to note that this plant really wasn’t meant to yield a lot.. I do feel like I often am light stressing it, and on another note, the lights I’m using say, ( and these are the brow bulbs) 100w replacement using 14w , so is it 100w or the 14w we go by? If it’s the 14w because it’s led, I get it, but if it’s equivalent to 100 W, then 100+100+80w+140w+30w (going by the replacement) if it’s the actual (what’s it’s using) it’s 14+14+80+30+(if I had to guess in the circle vanity led light) 10-20w so 148w (comparison)

Coppermike · Sep 15, 2024

I get it, but it does look a bit light stressed. Just a bit anyway

Blastfact · Sep 15, 2024

Coppermike said:
Thanks, not trying to be defensive just adding that I’ve put more light since the beginning of the plants life, and I’d also like to note that this plant really wasn’t meant to yield a lot.. I do feel like I often am light stressing it, and on another note, the lights I’m using say, ( and these are the brow bulbs) 100w replacement using 14w , so is it 100w or the 14w we go by? If it’s the 14w because it’s led, I get it, but if it’s equivalent to 100 W, then 100+100+80w+140w+30w (going by the replacement) if it’s the actual (what’s it’s using) it’s 14+14+80+30+(if I had to guess in the circle vanity led light) 10-20w so 148w (comparison)

Your not getting it. It's impossible to have a light that draws 14w and be a equivalent 100w light. At this point in tech,,, it's a bold face lie. Your best led lights are drawing 700w for the equivalent of 1000w double ended HPS. If you set down with some test equipment and tested one of your 14w lights you would be lucky to have the equivalent of a 20w refrigerator light bulb if that. And then since your open air growing with no enclosure your wasting 35 to 40% of the light your producing. People are not wanting to be mean. But you really are throwing money away. A $80 100w spider farmer, marrs, vivosun, cheap china grow light and a 4' x 8' reflective foam board and your grow would be 700% more efficient. Your not the first and you won't be the last to grow like your doing. But the sooner you can move on and get it behind you. The better....

HerbalEdu · Sep 16, 2024

not enough light = smaller, more airy and larf buds ... still enjoyable for sure but far from optimum ...

do yourselve a favor get a tent and a proper light ... or keep experimenting with more expensive added to each others non dedicated lights if your happy with that ...

"You can keep buying cheap lights but in the end you will spend just as much (or more) doing that as you would buying a decent light from the beginning."

"And then since your open air growing with no enclosure your wasting 35 to 40% of the light your producing."

" People are not wanting to be mean. But you really are throwing money away."

"Your not the first and you won't be the last to grow like your doing. But the sooner you can move on and get it behind you. The better...."

HerbalEdu · Sep 16, 2024

Blastfact said:
It's impossible to have a light that draws 14w and be a equivalent 100w light. At this point in tech,,, it's a bold face lie.

well they just compare efficience of LED to old incandecent light or compact fluo techs to impress people that don't even understand the numbers they read ... usual marketting bulshit you'll get with almost every products

HerbalEdu · Sep 16, 2024

Coppermike said:
in reality the guesses of 15 to 20 watts, is incorrect. The one with many arms is 80 W. 20 in each arm, I did research.

any link to specifications of that light you can provide ?

Coppermike said:
There is also a single leg vanity light that has both 3000k-6000k, which I obviously have on 3000, it was the only light I started with..

this is the temperature of colour, what's important is how many watt is that light, or how many lumen

Coppermike said:
Then we have two (growing) LED lights. That are specifically for plants,

they are 9W each, the fact they are specifically for plants is commercial bullshit that dosen't change much in fact as compared to how many watt they use.

Coppermike said:
Then we have a regular 3000k 4.500 Lumen bulb, (which is bigger in size compared to the other grow bulbs) and boy is that thing bright as hell!

a 250W HPS throw 31 000 to 37 000 lumen so 4500 lumen is equivalent to 30 35 W hps wich isn't that much ... like 20W led or so

Coppermike said:
Ever since the new bulb, admittedly, the bud density grew a lot! I posted updated pictures, so you can see the difference!

so that would be 80+9+9+vanity+20 Watt

wich could start being enough for flowering a single smaller plant, but then again most of your lights are too far from most of the buds, in an open area and the loss of light for the plant and each single bud is huge

HerbalEdu · Sep 16, 2024

and well i did found some (supposedly) 80W arm led:

Amazon.com : LED Grow Lights for Indoor Plants - 20 LED Full Spectrum Plant Lights, 3 Switch Modes, 3/9/12H Timer, 9 Dimmable Brightness Growth Lamp for Succulent, Vegetables : Patio, Lawn & Garden

www.amazon.com

27$ for a 80W light doesn't seem realistic at all when you know the cost of quality components ...

they use very low quality blue and red led light, way less efficient than some other LED so you do not really benefit from 80W led with this one but lower, also specifications say it draw only 60W from the wall and not 80W ... so even lower ....

and well in general cheap chinese light you'll find on amazon, temu or alibaba specifications and quality are rarely really trustable.

seeing how that light is bright compared to your others lights doesn't look at all like it's throwing 80W of power but much lower ....

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