Does a longer stem lead to smaller buds?

Pobam · Aug 18, 2022

I haven't found nothing specific and I'm really curious about It.
Do you guys have some experience of same seeds/different stem sizes?
Or you know some theorical fact on this matter? It makes sense that if nutrients and stuff have to traver more It can change something compared to a smaller stem, but I really don't know...
Can It lead to a different yield?

Buzzzz · Aug 18, 2022

Pobam said:
I haven't found nothing specific and I'm really curious about It.
Do you guys have some experience of same seeds/different stem sizes?
Or you know some theorical fact on this matter? It makes sense that if nutrients and stuff have to traver more It can change something compared to a smaller stem, but I really don't know...
Can It lead to a different yield?

Plants from a seed batch can be different in stem girth as well as other characteristics,bigger stem usually means heavier flowers and overall larger plant to support this. Some stems are flacid to bend with the wind and rain and some are thick to resist.

mysticepipedon · Aug 18, 2022

At what stage of growth are you measuring stems? between which nodes?

BTW, stem strength does not seem to be a big influence on bud size and weight -- at least not historically. Otherwise, trellis netting wouldn't come with most tents.

Buzzzz · Aug 18, 2022

mysticepipedon said:
At what stage of growth are you measuring stems? between which nodes?

BTW, stem strength does not seem to be a big influence on bud size and weight -- at least not historically. Otherwise, trellis netting wouldn't come with most tents.

Sure it does,grow a thin stem outside and thick stem and see which gives bigger plants

Shaded_One · Aug 18, 2022

I've got some tiny ass stems holding up some massive buds on my Sundae Drivers right now.

I think it's more genetic than anything else

nashobaTHC · Aug 18, 2022

You occasionally get big buds on thin stems but you almost always get big buds on fat stems. It’s a matter of how well a plants vascular water/nutrient transport system is developed. Fat stems have better systems. They also get more woody towards harvest so they can carry bigger loads with minimal staking and support. I get a warm fuzzy feeling when my plants get fat stems.

growsince79 · Aug 18, 2022

Shaded_One said:
I've got some tiny ass stems holding up some massive buds on my Sundae Drivers right now.

I think it's more genetic than anything else

Do you use silica?

Brownthumb · Aug 18, 2022

Is length or girth more important

Madmax · Aug 18, 2022

I think its irrevellent fat,skinny still grow same size buds.light,enviroment genetics is what grows them..ive had frequent grows all skinny ass stems with decent size buds.the only difference is thin stems cant support the weight..

Shaded_One · Aug 18, 2022

growsince79 said:
Do you use silica?

Nope! I've been tempted to look into it though

growsince79 · Aug 18, 2022

Shaded_One said:
Nope! I've been tempted to look into it though

It works amazingly good. You will notice a huge difference in the stems.

Shaded_One · Aug 18, 2022

growsince79 said:
It works amazingly good. You will notice a huge difference in the stems.

Recommendations on adding it to soil & what to use?

growsince79 · Aug 18, 2022

Shaded_One said:
Recommendations on adding it to soil & what to use?

I use cyco potassium silicate 1tsp/g and quit mid flower. The difference is so obvious you don't wonder if it did anything or not.

2Bad · Aug 18, 2022

growsince79 said:
I use cyco potassium silicate 1tsp/g and quit mid flower. The difference is so obvious you don't wonder if it did anything or not.

Doesn't potassium silicate have a low bio-availability? I've heard that it can't even be used in hydro because it needs to be a ph of 7 to be absorbed.

Deadstill · Aug 18, 2022

2Bad said:
Doesn't potassium silicate have a low bio-availability? I've heard that it can't even be used in hydro because it needs to be a ph of 7 to be absorbed.

I always foliar feed (spray) my potassium silicate. Not only do I believe it absorbs better, it also helps prevent PM.

growsince79 · Aug 18, 2022

2Bad said:
Doesn't potassium silicate have a low bio-availability? I've heard that it can't even be used in hydro because it needs to be a ph of 7 to be absorbed.

Idk never heard that before. @Aqua Man I use it in promix; add the silica first then nutes, then adjust ph if needed.

growsince79 · Aug 18, 2022

Deadstill said:
I always foliar feed (spray) my potassium silicate. Not only do I believe it absorbs better, it also helps prevent PM.

How strong do u mix?

Deadstill · Aug 18, 2022

growsince79 said:
How strong do u mix?

I use Emerald Harvest Sturdy Stalk and usually mix between 2 and 4 ml per gallon and add a wetting agent. EH makes pretty potent stuff

2Bad · Aug 18, 2022

I plan on reading this after work https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/Pot sil technical advisory panel report 2003.pdf

edit: mono-silicic acid sounds the best imo..my GH Si sucked..didn't do shit

Pobam · Aug 18, 2022

Wow, great feedbacks! I've never considered the thickness of the stem because you can't control it directly (I think it's linked to feeding, soil light etc.)
while the initial stem height depends on light exposure and I always struggle to give the right amount of light so it end up stretching quite a bit...
But it support leaf and buds with no problem at all!
Since growing a plant require a lot of work, as you know, I was wondering if a long stem could not worth it
but from what I've read here if the plant is healty I can go on and have the same yeld of a "non stretched" plant!

Does a longer stem lead to smaller buds?

Does a longer stem lead to smaller buds?

Pobam

Buzzzz

mysticepipedon

Buzzzz

Shaded_One

nashobaTHC

growsince79

Brownthumb

Madmax

Shaded_One

growsince79

Shaded_One

growsince79

2Bad

Deadstill

Have Dick, Will Travel

growsince79

growsince79

Deadstill

Have Dick, Will Travel

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Pobam

Does a longer stem lead to smaller buds?

Does a longer stem lead to smaller buds?

Pobam

Buzzzz

mysticepipedon

Buzzzz

Shaded_One

nashobaTHC

growsince79

Brownthumb

Madmax

Shaded_One

growsince79

Shaded_One

growsince79

2Bad

Deadstill

Have Dick, Will Travel

growsince79

growsince79

Deadstill

Have Dick, Will Travel

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Pobam

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