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First off yes that is root rot.
Your are using ph perfect right?
I have never used great white and heard good things about it however I'm not sure if it treats root rot and got a feeling it more preventative.
What you are seeing in your res looks like diatoms to me but possibly algae. Hard to tell under the blurples.
Hydrogaurd has a bacteria call bacillus amyloliquefaciens. It has been proven to kill pythium infected tissue in agriculture for quite a while now.
What I would do.
Make a fresh res cleaning everything before refilling.
Get some hydrogaurd asap and treat as per directions.
Ph some tap water NOT dechlorinated. And rinse the roots gently. Do this in a seperate 5gal pail or other container. Each day for 3-4days. Then put back in res. From there watch the roots and and if any slime or browning occurs rinse and put back.
It may take a while to get under control but just keep at it.
There is no guarantee but the faster you do this the better.
What is the ppm of your tap water?Thanks for the quick reply!
I'm not using ph perfect, the nutrients I'm using are "Ph Smart" or "PH perfect" whatever they call it and are supposed to handle that. I tested it with a ph pen, and its at 6.5. Probably a bit high, but my normal tap water is up to a 7.7.
Great white lists Bacillus amyloliquefaciens as an ingredient. I really dont want to buy hydroguard. For me shipping is more expensive than the jug, and it takes 2+ weeks to get here. Which is why i went with great white.
I'll start the rinse bucket today, thanks for the info.
What is the ppm of your tap water?
Also I would suggest using RO with PH perfect nutrients. It's designed to be used with RO. Only add great white and nothing else.
Yeah it's not something you can cut corners on. It's easy if you have the right info and equipment.I switched from dwc within the first 3 weeks
first hydro run went smooth, then all downhill from there, still trying to make it work(have to much invested)Yeah it's not something you can cut corners on. It's easy if you have the right info and equipment.
What are you having problems with?first hydro run went smooth, then all downhill from there, still trying to make it work(have to much invested)
same as opWhat are you having problems with?
Have you tried hydrogaurd?same as op
Have you tried hydrogaurd?
Here is some brief info on what works for me. You can pm if you have questions.
I run a live system and am mindful to do anything I can that helps preserve the bacteria. I also have what all aquariums and aquaponics use to maintain a healthy system... A healthy population of denitrifying bacteria. These occur naturally but can take up to 6 weeks to establish. You can seed from aquariums or buy some starter bacteria get a jump but I would recommend what's called a fishless cycle using pure ammonia.... You can google and pm if you have questions. With a simple ammonia and nitrate test kit you can see how well your bacteria colony is doing. And I use a fert with a tiny amount of ammonium in it. I'm won't go on about this more here.
I also use hydrogaurd for small plants but I mix it and pour from the top as opposed to in the res. I do this because I use jiffy pellets and it provides a decent although small home for some of the bacteria since the bacteria in hydrogaurd don't do as well as denitrifying bacteria in water.
I run a canister filter on my res but a hang on the back style would be better with filer foam and ceramic media to provide even more space for bacteria to populate. Once the plants are 4-5 weeks old I stop adding hydrogaurd and have had no issues just keeping my denitrifying bacteria happy.
I do 50% water changes maximum usually 25% a week. To help reduce stress on bacteria from chloramines/chlorine.
How I setup my grow. Seeds/clones in jiffy pellets for 2 weeks (usually a few days less maybe).
Adjust my water to 1" below the net pot so bubbles breaking the surface splash the hydroton. Put 2-3" of hydroton in the net pot place my jiffy pellets with plants in and fill the rest making sure no light leaks.
Top water a cup of nutrient solution a day for a week. After this once a week I pour maybe a little of water(plain water) from the top to keep from any nutrient build up so I never have to worry about it.
Ph to 5.6-5.8 and drift up to about 6 although it really doesn't drift much until your getting more growth.
Change out 25-50%max of the solution a week depending how well your nutrients are dialed in.
I have recently been testing 74F res temps for the past month or a bit more and no issues Infact it seems better growth so far. But keeping res temps down will give you more time to react should you run into a problem like root rot. But temps do not cause root rot.
Probably the worst thing that can be done in DWC is big changes or several changes. A healthy start means a plant will have a good immune system and a healthy bacteria population also helps a plant in defense of pathogens
I won't go into the parameters as that's pretty common stuff.
Sterile works well to but I prefer not to go that route I think if you take the time to set it up a live system is far healthier.
Added: the problem with live systems in hydro is hydro is really not designed well to house a good population of bacteria
Have you tried hydrogaurd?
Here is some brief info on what works for me. You can pm if you have questions.
I run a live system and am mindful to do anything I can that helps preserve the bacteria. I also have what all aquariums and aquaponics use to maintain a healthy system... A healthy population of denitrifying bacteria. These occur naturally but can take up to 6 weeks to establish. You can seed from aquariums or buy some starter bacteria get a jump but I would recommend what's called a fishless cycle using pure ammonia.... You can google and pm if you have questions. With a simple ammonia and nitrate test kit you can see how well your bacteria colony is doing. And I use a fert with a tiny amount of ammonium in it. I'm won't go on about this more here.
I also use hydrogaurd for small plants but I mix it and pour from the top as opposed to in the res. I do this because I use jiffy pellets and it provides a decent although small home for some of the bacteria since the bacteria in hydrogaurd don't do as well as denitrifying bacteria in water.
I run a canister filter on my res but a hang on the back style would be better with filer foam and ceramic media to provide even more space for bacteria to populate. Once the plants are 4-5 weeks old I stop adding hydrogaurd and have had no issues just keeping my denitrifying bacteria happy.
I do 50% water changes maximum usually 25% a week. To help reduce stress on bacteria from chloramines/chlorine.
How I setup my grow. Seeds/clones in jiffy pellets for 2 weeks (usually a few days less maybe).
Adjust my water to 1" below the net pot so bubbles breaking the surface splash the hydroton. Put 2-3" of hydroton in the net pot place my jiffy pellets with plants in and fill the rest making sure no light leaks.
Top water a cup of nutrient solution a day for a week. After this once a week I pour maybe a little of water(plain water) from the top to keep from any nutrient build up so I never have to worry about it.
Ph to 5.6-5.8 and drift up to about 6 although it really doesn't drift much until your getting more growth.
Change out 25-50%max of the solution a week depending how well your nutrients are dialed in.
I have recently been testing 74F res temps for the past month or a bit more and no issues Infact it seems better growth so far. But keeping res temps down will give you more time to react should you run into a problem like root rot. But temps do not cause root rot.
Probably the worst thing that can be done in DWC is big changes or several changes. A healthy start means a plant will have a good immune system and a healthy bacteria population also helps a plant in defense of pathogens
I won't go into the parameters as that's pretty common stuff.
Sterile works well to but I prefer not to go that route I think if you take the time to set it up a live system is far healthier.
Added: the problem with live systems in hydro is hydro is really not designed well to house a good population of bacteria
Add about 150ppm of nutrients to your res. Orca sounds like a good optioni'm on day two of nothing but water and liquid orca at 1.5ml/gal at ph 5.8 and 70F temps.
i take the top off and spray the roots with the res water every few hours.
should i wait until i see improvement to add nutes? should i add back in any particular order?
ps the local hydro store only had gallon jugs of hydroguard so i got orca instead since i'm super hobbiest with 1 plant.
bacillus amyloliquefaciens is included in orca as well, most of the other root rot products are preventative or inorganic or don't have this on the label.
Would love your advice @Aqua Man
It's doesn't quite work like that. People with little understanding of organic/inorganic and the benefits of a live system vs sterile system say this kinda stuff.Next sterile rez is the safest. Many people think organic is best, because they are not aware that plants can break down inorganic salts without issue
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