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@PermaClone our of curiosity, if I take pool shock and toss it into water, how can I then test how successful it was into binding into hypochlorous acid
Honestly, I think pool shock is the best way to roll, but I wanted to recommend a method that was easy and bleach is already in solution with well known free chlorine strength...so easy to recommend. For making your own calcium shock here's the math (give me a second, I actually avhe to write this out to make sure I don't deliver false info).... BRB w/ a response.
The pool shock recommended and that I currently have in hand is the "hth shock 'n swim" #3 shock. Calcium hypochlorite 47.6% with minimum available chlorine of 45% in a net weight of 454 grams
So for yours I would do 12.8 gram/gallon to yield 1,520 ppm free chlorine. For good measure, mix at the 10 mL/gal and see if it lands at 4 ppm w/ Chlorine test strips.
You'll notice the math is proportional, so I took:
70%/45% x 8.25 g for 70% ==> 12.83 g/gal of 45%.
Couldnt you just buy a pool noodle from the dollar store and cut it in slices with a hot knife or electric carving knife?
Indeed your math is spot on. I used canna stats calculator for cl value at their minimum guarantee of 45% (which means it could be even higher by a smudge) and plugged it in and got back a value of 1521.79xxx ppm chlorine so right on par with your numbers.
Now here's the point being made, your instructions say UC roots will sterilize at .05-0.5 free chlorine but pool shock has to be at .05-5 ppm to sterilize However we just established pool shock in water IS UC roots plus some extra calcium which makes it even better.
https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/calcium_hypochlorite#section=Top
"Calcium hypochlorite is a white solid that readily decomposes in water releasing oxygen and chlorine."
Easily dilutes in water and quickly releases o2 and cl which we knows will bond with h in water to form UC roots aka hypoclorous acid.
"Hydrogen Bond Acceptor Count: 2"
"It is decomposed by water with evolution of chlorine gas and heat"
This translates to "it is broken down by water with the the gradual development of chlorine gas and heat" *for evolution look up second meaning in dictionary which is "
the gradual development of something"
Meaning once pool shock is in water chlorine gas is developed and just like Michael said when chlorine gas travels thru water you get hypchlorous acid.
Here's his quote
"You can bubble chlorine gas through water and get hypochlorous acid. But we're not talking about using chlorine gas, we're talking about home-made hypochlorous acid from hypochloritesalts and it's tedious, different from water-to-water supply and unnecessary."
Clearly this reaction is natural and happens on its own and there for not tediuous
Couldnt you just buy a pool noodle from the dollar store and cut it in slices with a hot knife or electric carving knife?
The reason for trying the permaclone collars is I was sick of throwing the ez clone collars away after only a single use .
Main reasons for this was
1. Opening the ez collars up I would sometimes rip them
- the permaclone collars clearly solve this issue. The gap is present for the clone and only closes when placed into the cloner.
2. Roots would grow into the ez collars and rip when removing. These roots would get stuck in the collars
-permaclone literature states there's a "skin" on the collars that will prevent this. I hope the results do indeed show this.
3. I was worried about them not being disinfected completely.
-permaclone went above and beyond on how to sterilize these things. That's a really cool feature that makes them separate from all others.
If these last 5 years and work as advertised than they paid for themselves. what chlorine the company recommends to be used to clean your cloner really doesn't matter at that point.
I just hope micheal can get a lab technician to show him the chemical reaction of pool shock in water so he can either verify that his literature is correct or find out pool
Shock is indeed hypoclorous acid and he can correct his literature
Adding hypochlorite salts doesnt yield
Hypochlorous acid. (Period).
I accepted your theory about the Chlorine gas Leaving solution possibly forming hypochlorous to be gracious bc i'm sure there's a ppb (parts per billion) of HCLo left behind...and your fighting the subject like your ego is on the line. Ergo, i'll be gracious.
But, ultimately, it doesn't work, go do the experiment, report back. But giving me a bunch if luke-warm kuddos about PermaClone to then insult me is not cool.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_hypochlorite
"Other names
Hypochlorous acid, calcium salt
Bleaching powder, Calcium oxychloride"
@squiggly can you shine any light on this matter ?
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