Faster Harvest (low light and reduced daytime) Is less more?

nebulius · Apr 19, 2012

Blackstrap Molasses Profile 2 tsp

nutrientamount%DV
calories 32.12
calories from fat 0.00
calories from saturated fat 0.00
protein 0.00 g
carbohydrates 8.31 g
dietary fiber 0.00 g 0.00
soluble fiber -- g
insoluble fiber -- g
sugar - total 5.85 g
monosaccharides -- g
disaccharides -- g
other carbs -- g
fat - total 0.00 g
saturated fat 0.00 g
mono fat 0.00 g
poly fat 0.00 g
trans fatty acids 0.00 g
cholesterol 0.00 mg
water 3.92 g
ash -- g
Vitamins
nutrientamount%DV
vitamin A IU -- IU --
vitamin A RE 0.00 RE
A - carotenoid -- RE --
A - retinol 0.00 RE
A - beta carotene 0.00 mcg
thiamin - B1 0.00 mg 0.00
riboflavin - B2 0.01 mg 0.59
niacin - B3 0.15 mg 0.75
niacin equiv 0.15 mg
vitamin B6 0.10 mg 5.00
vitamin B12 0.00 mcg 0.00
biotin -- mcg --
vitamin C 0.00 mg 0.00
vitamin D IU 0.00 IU 0.00
vitamin D mcg 0.00 mcg
vitamin E alpha equiv -- mg --
vitamin E IU -- IU
vitamin E mg -- mg
folate 0.00 mcg 0.00
vitamin K -- mcg --
pantothenic acid 0.12 mg 1.20
Minerals
nutrientamount%DV
boron -- mcg
calcium 117.56 mg 11.76
chloride -- mg
chromium -- mcg --
copper 0.28 mg 14.00
fluoride -- mg --
iodine -- mcg --
iron 2.39 mg 13.28
magnesium 29.39 mg 7.35
manganese 0.36 mg 18.00
molybdenum -- mcg --
phosphorus 5.47 mg 0.55
potassium 340.66 mg
selenium 2.43 mcg 3.47
sodium 7.52 mg
zinc 0.14 mg 0.93
Saturated Fats
nutrientamount%DV
4:0 butyric 0.00 g
6:0 caproic 0.00 g
8:0 caprylic 0.00 g
10:0 capric 0.00 g
12:0 lauric 0.00 g
14:0 myristic 0.00 g
15:0 pentadecanoic 0.00 g
16:0 palmitic 0.00 g
17:0 margaric 0.00 g
18:0 stearic 0.00 g
20:0 arachidic 0.00 g
22:0 behenate 0.00 g
24:0 lignoceric 0.00 g
Mono Fats
nutrientamount%DV
14:1 myristol 0.00 g
15:1 pentadecenoic -- g
16:1 palmitol 0.00 g
17:1 heptadecenoic -- g
18:1 oleic 0.00 g
20:1 eicosen 0.00 g
22:1 erucic 0.00 g
24:1 nervonic -- g
Poly Fats
nutrientamount%DV
18:2 linoleic 0.00 g
18:3 linolenic 0.00 g
18:4 stearidon 0.00 g
20:3 eicosatrienoic -- g
20:4 arachidon 0.00 g
20:5 EPA 0.00 g
22:5 DPA 0.00 g
22:6 DHA 0.00 g
Other Fats
nutrientamount%DV
omega 3 fatty acids -- g --
omega 6 fatty acids -- g
Amino Acids
nutrientamount%DV
alanine 0.00 g
arginine 0.00 g
aspartate 0.00 g
cystine 0.00 g 0.00
glutamate 0.00 g
glycine 0.00 g
histidine 0.00 g 0.00
isoleucine 0.00 g 0.00
leucine 0.00 g 0.00
lysine 0.00 g 0.00
methionine 0.00 g 0.00
phenylalanine 0.00 g 0.00
proline 0.00 g
serine 0.00 g
threonine 0.00 g 0.00
tryptophan 0.00 g 0.00
tyrosine 0.00 g 0.00
valine 0.00 g 0.00
Other
nutrientamount%DV
alcohol 0.00 g
caffeine 0.00 mg
artif sweetener total -- mg
aspartame -- mg
saccharin -- mg
sugar alcohol -- g
glycerol -- g
inositol -- g
mannitol -- g
sorbitol -- g
xylitol -- g
organic acids -- mg
acetic acid -- mg
citric acid -- mg
lactic acid -- mg
malic acid -- mg
choline -- mg --
taurine -- mg

squiggly · Apr 19, 2012

Gonna have to defer to someone with more experience playing with it that me on the ratio. I haven't the foggiest to be honest with you--I only know that it's important to get it right (and that erring on the side of too much is better for our purposes, rather than have too little).

As for anything else, we'll have to see if anyone else has some suggestions.

JaySin420 · Apr 19, 2012

squiggly said:
A typical honey analysis gives:

Fructose: 38.2%

Glucose: 31.3%

Maltose: 7.1%

Sucrose: 1.3%

Water: 17.2%

Higher sugars: 1.5%

Ash: 0.2%

Other/undetermined: 3.2%

(from Wikipedia)

I see that honey has like four different goodies sold alone as boosters by some companies, funny once more something the guy who taught me to grow used to say ring so very true -"Man cannot out-do nature, ever, ya know?!" - The Old Man.

JaySin420 · Apr 19, 2012

nebulius said:
Blackstrap Molasses Profile 2 tsp

nutrientamount%DV
calories 32.12
calories from fat 0.00
calories from saturated fat 0.00
protein 0.00 g
carbohydrates 8.31 g
dietary fiber 0.00 g 0.00
soluble fiber -- g
insoluble fiber -- g
sugar - total 5.85 g
monosaccharides -- g
disaccharides -- g
other carbs -- g
fat - total 0.00 g
saturated fat 0.00 g
mono fat 0.00 g
poly fat 0.00 g
trans fatty acids 0.00 g
cholesterol 0.00 mg
water 3.92 g
ash -- g
Vitamins
nutrientamount%DV
vitamin A IU -- IU --
vitamin A RE 0.00 RE
A - carotenoid -- RE --
A - retinol 0.00 RE
A - beta carotene 0.00 mcg
thiamin - B1 0.00 mg 0.00
riboflavin - B2 0.01 mg 0.59
niacin - B3 0.15 mg 0.75
niacin equiv 0.15 mg
vitamin B6 0.10 mg 5.00
vitamin B12 0.00 mcg 0.00
biotin -- mcg --
vitamin C 0.00 mg 0.00
vitamin D IU 0.00 IU 0.00
vitamin D mcg 0.00 mcg
vitamin E alpha equiv -- mg --
vitamin E IU -- IU
vitamin E mg -- mg
folate 0.00 mcg 0.00
vitamin K -- mcg --
pantothenic acid 0.12 mg 1.20
Minerals
nutrientamount%DV
boron -- mcg
calcium 117.56 mg 11.76
chloride -- mg
chromium -- mcg --
copper 0.28 mg 14.00
fluoride -- mg --
iodine -- mcg --
iron 2.39 mg 13.28
magnesium 29.39 mg 7.35
manganese 0.36 mg 18.00
molybdenum -- mcg --
phosphorus 5.47 mg 0.55
potassium 340.66 mg
selenium 2.43 mcg 3.47
sodium 7.52 mg
zinc 0.14 mg 0.93
Saturated Fats
nutrientamount%DV
4:0 butyric 0.00 g
6:0 caproic 0.00 g
8:0 caprylic 0.00 g
10:0 capric 0.00 g
12:0 lauric 0.00 g
14:0 myristic 0.00 g
15:0 pentadecanoic 0.00 g
16:0 palmitic 0.00 g
17:0 margaric 0.00 g
18:0 stearic 0.00 g
20:0 arachidic 0.00 g
22:0 behenate 0.00 g
24:0 lignoceric 0.00 g
Mono Fats
nutrientamount%DV
14:1 myristol 0.00 g
15:1 pentadecenoic -- g
16:1 palmitol 0.00 g
17:1 heptadecenoic -- g
18:1 oleic 0.00 g
20:1 eicosen 0.00 g
22:1 erucic 0.00 g
24:1 nervonic -- g
Poly Fats
nutrientamount%DV
18:2 linoleic 0.00 g
18:3 linolenic 0.00 g
18:4 stearidon 0.00 g
20:3 eicosatrienoic -- g
20:4 arachidon 0.00 g
20:5 EPA 0.00 g
22:5 DPA 0.00 g
22:6 DHA 0.00 g
Other Fats
nutrientamount%DV
omega 3 fatty acids -- g --
omega 6 fatty acids -- g
Amino Acids
nutrientamount%DV
alanine 0.00 g
arginine 0.00 g
aspartate 0.00 g
cystine 0.00 g 0.00
glutamate 0.00 g
glycine 0.00 g
histidine 0.00 g 0.00
isoleucine 0.00 g 0.00
leucine 0.00 g 0.00
lysine 0.00 g 0.00
methionine 0.00 g 0.00
phenylalanine 0.00 g 0.00
proline 0.00 g
serine 0.00 g
threonine 0.00 g 0.00
tryptophan 0.00 g 0.00
tyrosine 0.00 g 0.00
valine 0.00 g 0.00
Other
nutrientamount%DV
alcohol 0.00 g
caffeine 0.00 mg
artif sweetener total -- mg
aspartame -- mg
saccharin -- mg
sugar alcohol -- g
glycerol -- g
inositol -- g
mannitol -- g
sorbitol -- g
xylitol -- g
organic acids -- mg
acetic acid -- mg
citric acid -- mg
lactic acid -- mg
malic acid -- mg
choline -- mg --
taurine -- mg

Wow doooode?! Maybe too much stuff? Loads of zero % stuff on list tho......

JaySin420 · Apr 19, 2012

What else may reduce flower time? I know less daylight over time helps the most with a loss in grams of course comparing to a full flower cycle.

Anyone use growth inhibitors to shorten flower cycle times? Maybe ultra low dose whole time? Or during late veg instead of just flower?

nebulius · Apr 19, 2012

I see that honey has like four different goodies sold alone as boosters by some companies, funny once more something the guy who taught me to grow used to say ring so very true -"Man cannot out-do nature, ever, ya know?!" - The Old Man.

Yea I'm with ya on that one Jaysin, My blackstrap has 8%calcium 8% magnesium, substitute for (cal mag), and 10% potassium subed for flower enhancers. Extra minerals and boost to micro-organisms is also a good plus.

jyip · Apr 20, 2012

jaysin, by oils i am guessing you mean what is inside the trichomes? ,,,,,

ttystikk · Apr 20, 2012

jyip said:
jaysin, by oils i am guessing you mean what is inside the trichomes? ,,,,,

I'm not Jaysin, but yes- it's entirely possible for trichomes NOT to have any of the essential oils we're actually trying to produce. This can be due to genetic factors- think 'hemp' grown for fiber and seed- or more likely for our purposes, environmental factors or disease/pest issues.

'Essential oils' are how the cannabis plant secretes the cannabinoids we're looking for. Remember- if the part of the plant you're looking at is green, it's just there to carry and produce what we want- it doesn't actually have the active ingredients in it.

This is why the various methods of hash processing are effective, because the good stuff is already on the outside of the plant.

ttystikk · Apr 20, 2012

Okay, back to the regularly scheduled thread topic!

To run much further down the road of shortening flowering times, it's important to know what specifically the ultimate goal is. Is it maximization of yield on a unit time basis? Is there a deadline looming? The more you can tell us, the more likely we'll be able to help.

At a guess, I'd say flowering can be accelerated by continuing the process of shortening daylight hours throughout the flowering phase, just like Mam Nature does. The only days of the year with a perfect 12/12 cycle are the spring and fall equinoxes, and in fall the days continue to get shorter after that. Maybe pushing that cycle forward will provide for some interesting results?

jyip · Apr 20, 2012

ttystikk said:
I'm not Jaysin, but yes- it's entirely possible for trichomes NOT to have any of the essential oils we're actually trying to produce. This can be due to genetic factors- think 'hemp' grown for fiber and seed- or more likely for our purposes, environmental factors or disease/pest issues.

'Essential oils' are how the cannabis plant secretes the cannabinoids we're looking for. Remember- if the part of the plant you're looking at is green, it's just there to carry and produce what we want- it doesn't actually have the active ingredients in it.

This is why the various methods of hash processing are effective, because the good stuff is already on the outside of the plant.

interesting info, i have been smoking since the mid seventies, even earlier, like 1972 thru 1986, but stopped from 1986 till 2000 and have been smoking up till present time, and growing thru these times as well. I still feel like a dummy sometimes with basic information like the oils questions i presented earlier,,lots has changed with marijuana thru these times, like now an ounce of weed costs more than an ounce of cocaine here,,wow, but tons of strains with wild new names, new hybrids

nebulius · Apr 22, 2012

Anyone ever try dialing down the light intensity % on a digital ballast during the last weeks of flower? Just thinking about this today, I know during winter the sun's path is lower in the sky causing for shorter days and I believe less lumens.

Wikipedia "at latitudes of 65 degrees the change in solar energy in summer & winter can vary by more than 25% as a result of the Earth's orbital variation"

So, with a digital ballast having 4 variable settings (s-bright, 100%, 75%, and 50%) you could dial down the intensity of the light one setting per week for the last 4 weeks. My hypothesis is that this may have an effect on the plants hormones signaling to it that winter is coming and therefore possibly speeding up flowering times.

Thoughts on this? tried this?

ttystikk · Apr 22, 2012

nebulius said:
Anyone ever try dialing down the light intensity % on a digital ballast during the last weeks of flower? Just thinking about this today, I know during winter the sun's path is lower in the sky causing for shorter days and I believe less lumens.

Wikipedia "at latitudes of 65 degrees the change in solar energy in summer & winter can vary by more than 25% as a result of the Earth's orbital variation"

So, with a digital ballast having 4 variable settings (s-bright, 100%, 75%, and 50%) you could dial down the intensity of the light one setting per week for the last 4 weeks. My hypothesis is that this may have an effect on the plants hormones signaling to it that winter is coming and therefore possibly speeding up flowering times.

Thoughts on this? tried this?

This is an interesting idea. At a guess, I bet it wouldn't do much for boosting yields, but it would likely encourage final ripening, along with apoptheosis, or the plant beginning its dying process, so as to send the last bit of available nutrient into its flowers.

ttystikk · Apr 22, 2012

I've been doing a little digging through my catalogs, and I found an interesting piece of equipment from our friends at Sentinel (www.growgps.com) called the DRT-1 Digital Recycling Timer. This allows for full control of light and dark cycles, independent of the 24 hour clock.

Been wondering what a 12 hour dark and 20-24 hour light period might do for the girls- and that's just one of many possible scenarios this device would allow someone to explore...

JaySin420 · Apr 23, 2012

ttystikk said:
I've been doing a little digging through my catalogs, and I found an interesting piece of equipment from our friends at Sentinel (www.growgps.com) called the DRT-1 Digital Recycling Timer. This allows for full control of light and dark cycles, independent of the 24 hour clock.

Been wondering what a 12 hour dark and 20-24 hour light period might do for the girls- and that's just one of many possible scenarios this device would allow someone to explore...

Thats exactly what i use, along with the matching enviro controller (same style box), with switches for the ballasts to run thru the digital timer from Sentinel, you can do some neat tricks like my twilight setup. it does really any times you want even two days to one night like you pointed out above. very nice equipment already two years use no issues at all, and its being used to its max rating whole time lol
I do 24 hour days 8 hour nights in veg sometimes, but never tried two to one night in flower.....interesting idea for sure.

squiggly · Apr 23, 2012

ttystikk said:
apoptheosis

I love that you combined apoptosis and apotheosis here--only someone with a big vocabulary would be capable of that :)

ttystikk · Apr 23, 2012

squiggly said:
I love that you combined apoptosis and apotheosis here--only someone with a big vocabulary would be capable of that :)

LOL thanks, brother- guess it shows that both my parents were english professors, everyone has their cross to bear... lol

jyip · May 16, 2012

The next closest carb is table sugar lol, it also dont leave a taste behind, and is almost as effective as honey as far as final push for more production during last weeks. Honey seems to have a small kick nothing else has as far as I have seen.

have you evr used sucanat from wholesome foods,,,, i think its beetcane sugar mostly,,,,i thought it enhanced the taste alot and made me wanna smoke each joint down till it burnt my fingers,, like a thicker carmel taste and worked on some strains better than others

what r u growin in? soilles mix?

good info here, i like the deficiency chart tho i would have to speculate that it is maybe rare or dificult to diagnosis exactly and w/certainty as to it soley beinga a notrogen dificiency, or potasium or sulfur cuz they all look similiar to me....

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