Flushing Coco

Elevator · May 16, 2016

We Solidarity said:
I definitely don't think adding enzymes does any harm...it's just unnecessary. And coco definitely doesn't expand as it dries but I think I understand what you mean. Root rot should definitely never happen in coco - the only time I see it happening is when people are flooding their plants with clear water. The maturity of the plants and the gradual decline of the available nutrients are what are triggering senescence in the plant (in addition to any environmental changes the grower makes in the cycle), flooding them with water while their metabolism is slowing down is a relatively easy way to stress and mold the plant, just based on what I've seen and my experiences early on.

Ok guys, I appreciate all the input and basically to just let you guys know where I'm at, I'll be taking both your advice lol. Basically, in my ebb and flo system I just abandoned for coco, I would run a pretty high ec towards the end and on the last two weeks, I would run half tap half ro and with all the media in the pots (rockwool) it would make week 8of9 about half the normal ec, and then the final week, 9of9 would be about half tap half ro ph'd to the normal 5.8-6 at a very very low, ec and I would let that cruise for 4-7 days and let the trichs tell me when they were ready. That led to very clean, high end bud. Since it was a timed ebb and flo system, there was no guessing on how dry to let the pots get.

I think you both have good points and with all due respect, I'm familiar with Solidarity and I tried the less is more approach he and DWD talked about in previous posts and it worked great so I'm leaning in his direction. That being said, I still have about a liter of Cannazyme I have leftover from a previous grow so what I plan on doing is using half tap/half ro water with cannazyme for the last 8-10 days. I'm going to ph the water down a bit, my tap water is high 7's, and I'm going to NOT flush 20-30% runoff, but will let the plants take up whatever salts are left, and the last watering, I will water til runoff and let it dry and chop it.

One last question, I plan on using my trim for concentrates and I've been battling PM for a few weeks now and I recently hit them with some Kapow! lemongrass oil based pesticide since I already had some and read that lemongrass oil would help the pm, and it appears as though it has. However, I immediately realized that it's 5% oil, and I drenched the plants with it. Will this effect my concentrates like Neem oil would? What would you guys use to wash off the oil?

I'm thinking just high ph tap water with a few drops of dish soap? I'm hoping the high ph will keep the PM at bay during the dry week and the soap will help the oil release from the buds?

We Solidarity · May 16, 2016

Elevator said:
Ok guys, I appreciate all the input and basically to just let you guys know where I'm at, I'll be taking both your advice lol. Basically, in my ebb and flo system I just abandoned for coco, I would run a pretty high ec towards the end and on the last two weeks, I would run half tap half ro and with all the media in the pots (rockwool) it would make week 8of9 about half the normal ec, and then the final week, 9of9 would be about half tap half ro ph'd to the normal 5.8-6 at a very very low, ec and I would let that cruise for 4-7 days and let the trichs tell me when they were ready. That led to very clean, high end bud. Since it was a timed ebb and flo system, there was no guessing on how dry to let the pots get.

I think you both have good points and with all due respect, I'm familiar with Solidarity and I tried the less is more approach he and DWD talked about in previous posts and it worked great so I'm leaning in his direction. That being said, I still have about a liter of Cannazyme I have leftover from a previous grow so what I plan on doing is using half tap/half ro water with cannazyme for the last 8-10 days. I'm going to ph the water down a bit, my tap water is high 7's, and I'm going to NOT flush 20-30% runoff, but will let the plants take up whatever salts are left, and the last watering, I will water til runoff and let it dry and chop it.

One last question, I plan on using my trim for concentrates and I've been battling PM for a few weeks now and I recently hit them with some Kapow! lemongrass oil based pesticide since I already had some and read that lemongrass oil would help the pm, and it appears as though it has. However, I immediately realized that it's 5% oil, and I drenched the plants with it. Will this effect my concentrates like Neem oil would? What would you guys use to wash off the oil?

I'm thinking just high ph tap water with a few drops of dish soap? I'm hoping the high ph will keep the PM at bay during the dry week and the soap will help the oil release from the buds?

all of what you said for the flush is a super good call - if you've got the cannazyme already you might as well use it for sure. Idk about every watering unless you dilute it pretty hard but honestly i've only ever used hygrozyme, which I don't recommend for repeat feedings.

As far as the PM goes, good call using the kapow. I've seen that stuff knock a really bad pm outbreak down to nothing, without a resurfacing for two weeks. I would assume the oils are going to affect your concentrates, you will definitely want to rinse with some high-ph water to kick off the oil and help keep back the mold. That's another reason I like to feed above 6.0 - I've noticed mold has a harder time establishing with higher ph water.

Elevator · May 16, 2016

We Solidarity said:
all of what you said for the flush is a super good call - if you've got the cannazyme already you might as well use it for sure. Idk about every watering unless you dilute it pretty hard but honestly i've only ever used hygrozyme, which I don't recommend for repeat feedings.

As far as the PM goes, good call using the kapow. I've seen that stuff knock a really bad pm outbreak down to nothing, without a resurfacing for two weeks. I would assume the oils are going to affect your concentrates, you will definitely want to rinse with some high-ph water to kick off the oil and help keep back the mold. That's another reason I like to feed above 6.0 - I've noticed mold has a harder time establishing with higher ph water.

I've been experimenting with ph too. My tap during winter is about 8.0-8.3 and about 350-400 ppms which is just crazy. I was dumping absurd amounts of ph down and my plants weren't liking it, so I experimented with letting my ph go and only correct it if it's over 6.2 or so. In my ebb and flo system I was letting ph swing from 5.8-6.5 and the plants were loving the 6.2-6.5 range.

I was shocked at how well the Kapow worked for the PM, and it was great because I had it sitting around collecting dust and read on a regular gardening thread about how well lemongrass oil works.

As far as the cannazyme goes I'm a believer. It's overpriced but it WORKS! (Like everything from Canna) I only used it during last summer when my ebb and flo res temps were super high, like 75 and I had to go from a 7 days res swap to 4 days because it was getting so funky, even with huge levels of h2o2. I bought the cannazyme and I was able to go right back to 7 days. It isn't too potent, so I don't see an issue with feeding it each fertigation for the next 10 days. I was able to drop it with this new coco setup, because I mix up my nutes and feed every other day and never let nutes sit in a res, so there is no funk. I just dump in h2o2 and drip clean every other fertigation, so like once every 4 days. How do you feel about beneficials in coco? I was thinking of abandoning the h202 for beneficials, but how do I keep my res and drip lines clean? What do I buy for beneficials?

Tbc · Jun 5, 2017

Elevator said:
Hey guys,
I've grown in soil and hydro many times but this is my first coco run and I need some tips for flushing. With hydro, I just used half tap half ro water for the last week and that worked just fine. In soil, I used molasses and tap water for the last two weeks and that worked fine too.

I understand that with coco, it isn't beneficial to flush with straight tap water. What I plan on doing is flushing for one week, with half tap, half RO and about 2 mls per gallon Canna A/B coco base nutes and cannazyme. Does that plan work? Anyone with real world tips?

b hi I had some guy from camebridge university telling me that flushing at end of harvest was bullshit that there is no nute in the whole plant he said the majic happens in the roots turning nute into protein and acids and its a myth feed eighth up to chop .now ice flushed very crop the last20 years but did experiment same strain evrythi g the same o e flush as normal the other I fed up to chop I kid you not after dry and 6 week cure the unfushed tasted better was smoother and I got 25 gram more yield fuck flushing

brimck325 · Jun 5, 2017

so basically your posting your opinion based on some guy that goes to college and 1 grow?

Tbc · Jun 5, 2017

brimck325 said:
so basically your posting your opinion based on some guy that goes to college and 1 grow?

Tbc · Jun 5, 2017

No I'm just saying the truth of what happened it started cause I was in a weird situation where I ended up with 2 mazars and 2 sugerhaze in the same nft tank so I asked the question about can I flush the tank on pure water for a week or so like I have for 20 years then chop the mazars and start feeding nutes again to the sugerhaze till there ready and dito now as usual I got about 10 conflicting ideas do this do that you no what I mean then I got a email of some dude said his name and he had a PhD in microbiolgy I mean I'm not stupid could have bin anyone I no .but he went on and on and on explaining to me in simplest terms how a plant does not actauly take nutriant into it as such .like you could not extract gh flora series out of your bud not possible cause it's not there its amino acids and protein and other shit yea I thought your off yet head but I honestly done a side by side experiment and I can tell you after 20 odd years of successful growing that feeding up to flush is all good everything is better I grow under good quality leds and I'll never flush again thanks for your time tim

dan1989 · Jun 5, 2017

Tbc said:
No I'm just saying the truth of what happened it started cause I was in a weird situation where I ended up with 2 mazars and 2 sugerhaze in the same nft tank so I asked the question about can I flush the tank on pure water for a week or so like I have for 20 years then chop the mazars and start feeding nutes again to the sugerhaze till there ready and dito now as usual I got about 10 conflicting ideas do this do that you no what I mean then I got a email of some dude said his name and he had a PhD in microbiolgy I mean I'm not stupid could have bin anyone I no .but he went on and on and on explaining to me in simplest terms how a plant does not actauly take nutriant into it as such .like you could not extract gh flora series out of your bud not possible cause it's not there its amino acids and protein and other shit yea I thought your off yet head but I honestly done a side by side experiment and I can tell you after 20 odd years of successful growing that feeding up to flush is all good everything is better I grow under good quality leds and I'll never flush again thanks for your time tim

You are one of many who believes flushing is nonsense. I would be inclined to agree, as I once had a super duper nasty chemical flavour to my bud which was completely unpalatable. Three weeks burped in a jar and the smell and flavour was like it was a totally different cannabis. I subscribe to the theory that reducing nute levels and a good, slow cure is the only way to achieve quality. That's not to say I'm right of course, I'm just another random faceless asshole like everyone else on here, but I hate when people get on someone for having an opinion and talking as if they are stating fact.

Tbc · Jun 5, 2017

dan1989 said:
You are one of many who believes flushing is nonsense. I would be inclined to agree, as I once had a super duper nasty chemical flavour to my bud which was completely unpalatable. Three weeks burped in a jar and the smell and flavour was like it was a totally different cannabis. I subscribe to the theory that reducing nute levels and a good, slow cure is the only way to achieve quality. That's not to say I'm right of course, I'm just another random faceless asshole like everyone else on here, but I hate when people get on someone for having an opinion and talking as if they are stating fact.

Yea man i no what you mean I bin coin this a while and the bullshit over the years they used to say hang plants upside down so the resin goes to buds and another is 24 hours darkness before flipping total bullshit the plant gets put back a week cause of stress I was told loads of stuff that now I no is crap .but the flushing thing is a new one I've always done it but really don't do it .and a little bonus I got 25 gram more yield on the one unfushed cause I guess it's still using the nute to get them buds a bit bigger .but every single thing you read on the net flush flush flush they e van sell shit to clean your buds right out bollocks mate

Tbc · Jun 5, 2017

Elevator said:
Ok guys, I appreciate all the input and basically to just let you guys know where I'm at, I'll be taking both your advice lol. Basically, in my ebb and flo system I just abandoned for coco, I would run a pretty high ec towards the end and on the last two weeks, I would run half tap half ro and with all the media in the pots (rockwool) it would make week 8of9 about half the normal ec, and then the final week, 9of9 would be about half tap half ro ph'd to the normal 5.8-6 at a very very low, ec and I would let that cruise for 4-7 days and let the trichs tell me when they were ready. That led to very clean, high end bud. Since it was a timed ebb and flo system, there was no guessing on how dry to let the pots get.

I think you both have good points and with all due respect, I'm familiar with Solidarity and I tried the less is more approach he and DWD talked about in previous posts and it worked great so I'm leaning in his direction. That being said, I still have about a liter of Cannazyme I have leftover from a previous grow so what I plan on doing is using half tap/half ro water with cannazyme for the last 8-10 days. I'm going to ph the water down a bit, my tap water is high 7's, and I'm going to NOT flush 20-30% runoff, but will let the plants take up whatever salts are left, and the last watering, I will water til runoff and let it dry and chop it.

One last question, I plan on using my trim for concentrates and I've been battling PM for a few weeks now and I recently hit them with some Kapow! lemongrass oil based pesticide since I already had some and read that lemongrass oil would help the pm, and it appears as though it has. However, I immediately realized that it's 5% oil, and I drenched the plants with it. Will this effect my concentrates like Neem oil would? What would you guys use to wash off the oil?

I'm thinking just high ph tap water with a few drops of dish soap? I'm hoping the high ph will keep the PM at bay during the dry week and the soap will help the oil release from the buds?

Everything I talked about revered to a nft in Rockwall under leds

Tbc · Jun 6, 2017

R3LaX said:
Flushing is for queers

First sense I read there is no nutriant in a cannabis plant it all gets turned into acids and protein there truly is nothing to flush and I've done side by side tests feed up to chop bigger better stronger tastes better by far but you must dry and then cure for 4 weeks this is al true rushing is a myth lime 24 hours of darkness before flip all that does is make yet crop a week.laye ha ha

fatawa · Jun 6, 2017

I didnt read all past posts so probably saying wats already been said but u can flush n coco but u shudnt need to if done right..should b feeding like 500ppm,then 200ppm,then back up to 500ppm..or a f,f,w schedule if dosing higher..but your providing all nutes so flushing is not wantd normaly

Tbc · Jun 6, 2017

fatawa said:
I didnt read all past posts so probably saying wats already been said but u can flush n coco but u shudnt need to if done right..should b feeding like 500ppm,then 200ppm,then back up to 500ppm..or a f,f,w schedule if dosing higher..but your providing all nutes so flushing is not wantd normaly

Correct sir

shittyfartfarmer · Mar 1, 2021

DrMcSkunkins said:
I just flush with the bloom booster and ripener very light in a gallon of tap water straight out the tap, @Og Gong wont tell you his secret but the chlorine really brings out the reds and purples...

ive herd of this before would interesting lke to know more on the topic, but from your experience does the chlorine affect the taste, smell or look anything you notice different from ro ? ?

kkronik · May 13, 2021

R3LaX said:
Flushing is for queers

You'd know, gearbox

Jacktheripper · Mar 22, 2024

We Solidarity said:
Enzymes are great for flushing. In coco I flush with plain water for 10 days, allowing the plants to dry out between waterings. Your flush really depends on how much you feed though. In my opinion the best flush is a balanced feed- if your fertigation is on point there's never any excess buildup hence no real reason to flush.

Let me get this straight u flush for 10 days allowing the plant to dry out between waterings red flag there. I grew in Co Co choir first time I flushed one plant that took a while for that to dry out so in my guess tomation you would be there 2 extra months

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