Moe.Red
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This is a real funny place to be in. Foreign territory to me. I’ve gotten advice from several top growers now and the consensus is there is no consensus.Not sure if this is the same thing but this is MB15 and it may have some of the same family genetics. It was a bitch to stabilize and grow out of that mottled leaf stage. It still has some but after it grew, it got less severe. I had issues with bacteria and not enough airflow. I hit them with Orca, S AG and TPS billions. I know you keep your space clean so prob not the issue.
Crossed my mind also. Some mites can cause similar damage and are next to impossible to see. But knowing the source of these clones I'd be very surprised if that's the case.Most likely a stupid question at this point but, Definitely no bugs?
Patience is a wonderful thing.This is a real funny place to be in. Foreign territory to me. I’ve gotten advice from several top growers now and the consensus is there is no consensus.
So frustrating to not be able to pinpoint what they need.
I’ve dealt with a ton of struggling plants before but it always seems to come down to environment lighting nutes or roots or genetics. Roots are great and I got control over all the others but genetics.
Is it possible I have found a pair of strains that cannot be grown in hydro? WTF.
This is why I love growing weed tho. It’s the coolest puzzle there is.
Right now the answer is more time at low light and leave them be.
ImpossibleIs it possible I have found a pair of strains that cannot be grown in hydro? WTF.
Hi I have rdwc sistem I maidet. I use advance nutritions is expensive but bacteria do work . First what sistem you have ? How many litres buckets?Crossed my mind also. Some mites can cause similar damage and are next to impossible to see. But knowing the source of these clones I'd be very surprised if that's the case.
@Moe.Red I have no experience with rdwc and haven't followed along enough to know your feeding specifics and all that so can't really offer any assistance other than to say we've all been there, I hope they turn around for ya.
Im curious to know what your room temp, RH, EC ph and ppfd is? Water source has enough alkalinity? Calcium? Ph is stable without too much adjustment?
If you were here you’d understand immediately. These girls are not happy. No smell. Leaves just twisting on themselves. Even new growth. They almost feel fake if that makes sense.You know my experience level so take this with a grain of salt, but....
What if you just set things to your "normal" growth parameters for a clone in this stage of growth and.....walk away from it.
Those roots look awesome and are definitely growing. Maybe she just needs more time to build that foundation before she does her thing up top.
Best advice so far. Agree 100%Patience is a wonderful thing.
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Ok I didn’t look everywhere with a scope I should not have said no so quickly to diesel. I’ll check more closely. If I find anything I’ll show you under the scope.Crossed my mind also. Some mites can cause similar damage and are next to impossible to see. But knowing the source of these clones I'd be very surprised if that's the case.
@Moe.Red I have no experience with rdwc and haven't followed along enough to know your feeding specifics and all that so can't really offer any assistance other than to say we've all been there, I hope they turn around for ya.
Im curious to know what your room temp, RH, EC ph and ppfd is? Water source has enough alkalinity? Calcium? Ph is stable without too much adjustment?
interestingly shifting all the way to red/fr mostly will make the plant think shes growing in the shade. and stretch causing you to need to adjust height to accomodate for changes in ppfd more regularly. im just popping into this thread now not gonna be able to contribute tho on this topic(soil nerd) but very interesting thread though, refreshingI have attempted lower ppfd and most recently tried shifting spectrum towards red.
The red thing was a test. I’m out of environmental things to try. Back to veg baseline on lights but at minimum.interestingly shifting all the way to red/fr mostly will make the plant think shes growing in the shade. and stretch causing you to need to adjust height to accomodate for changes in ppfd more regularly. im just popping into this thread now not gonna be able to contribute tho on this topic(soil nerd) but very interesting thread though, refreshing
Sorry brother ! Gotta say it - raise the light and add some calmagThere comes that special time in every grower's life, where they just have to admit they have no idea what they are doing. I guess that's today for the mouthy stooge.
First up, the real sour. Aptly named, cause it is making me sour.
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Root life rockin. Above ground sucking.
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Next, Sour Diesel. I need an exhaust pipe to suck on.
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So the changes yesterday were to shut off all air movement and shift towards red photons. Didn't work.
This is starting to get under my skin a bit. I'm open to any and all suggestions.
Dude that’s all spot on - if DB or Aqua ain’t got the answer ? And u don’t ? There’s a def mysteryOk I didn’t look everywhere with a scope I should not have said no so quickly to diesel. I’ll check more closely. If I find anything I’ll show you under the scope.
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The spike down you see is when I hit in the tent for pics.
I can make those numbers whatever I want.
Ppfd is 400 at the top of the plant. Until yesterday it was just under 300 because the bloom enhancer lights were off. Bottom of plant was just over 100. The plant has grown vertically into the light raising ppfd.
Light 40 inches away at minimum. Cobs.
I have attempted lower ppfd and most recently tried shifting spectrum towards red.
Well I’m still kinda following aqua here with the wait and see at low ppfd Hoping they snap out of it.Dude that’s all spot on - if DB or Aqua ain’t got the answer ? And u don’t ? There’s a def mystery
Wish I was smart enuff to help out , but ur learning me up some more
since fungi indirectly affect the root architecture, growth and nutrient uptake, capability of the plant should improve. finding out if they are beneficial for nutrient uptake might prove hard but growth not so much. unless im understanding the scenario wrongI definitely need to consider this side of the argument. I should run H2O2 in one of the 4 fog systems as part of the test.
My results that say beneficials improve weed are anecdotal.
I need to define the parameters of success tho. Let say I grow 8 identical clones from Tissue Culture in 4 individual systems in a single grow chamber with proper control and lighting. As close to a lab experiment as we are gonna get.
Maybe 1 = H2O2
2 = Orca
3 = Nothing
4 = Res water from the RDWC system
How do you declare a winning method? Lab testing a given. Accurate harvest, all that. I'll document it all.
That question is for everyone.
I'd bump that feed up to 1Ec or 500 ppm, get the temp up to 75-78f and ph to 5.5.Ok I didn’t look everywhere with a scope I should not have said no so quickly to diesel. I’ll check more closely. If I find anything I’ll show you under the scope.
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The spike down you see is when I hit in the tent for pics.
I can make those numbers whatever I want.
Ppfd is 400 at the top of the plant. Until yesterday it was just under 300 because the bloom enhancer lights were off. Bottom of plant was just over 100. The plant has grown vertically into the light raising ppfd.
Light 40 inches away at minimum. Cobs.
I have attempted lower ppfd and most recently tried shifting spectrum towards red.
Wow man, these things are really giving you the run around, when i saw you were picking up clones, i didnt expect you to have any issues, especially after your last run in that system. I really hope you get these things dialed in.There comes that special time in every grower's life, where they just have to admit they have no idea what they are doing. I guess that's today for the mouthy stooge.
First up, the real sour. Aptly named, cause it is making me sour.
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Root life rockin. Above ground sucking.
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Next, Sour Diesel. I need an exhaust pipe to suck on.
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These plants are getting worse, not better.
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So the changes yesterday were to shut off all air movement and shift towards red photons. Didn't work.
This is starting to get under my skin a bit. I'm open to any and all suggestions.
Thanks bro. I’m not even mad. It is humbling tho.Wow man, these things are really giving you the run around, when i saw you were picking up clones, i didnt expect you to have any issues, especially after your last run in that system. I really hope you get these things dialed in.
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