frothy, foamy rez

stardust · Sep 19, 2009

hi...ive had a really wierd thing happen to my reservoir the last couple of days. Its basically beer! :thinking, so much foam on top!!!..

its got something to do with benis (Aquashield) and their CO2 biproduct? and all the carbs im adding (Honey -es, Molases). ..

Im in week 5, ripening Master Kushes...they seem okay,and i change their rez daily (drain to waste) but im concernced this froth is going to cause root problems..

the first day i saw the foam i had added 200ml of molases and 200ml of Honey-ES carbs as wells as 300ml of aquashield and i think other things have benis too like budswell from bat guano etc...

saw some foam...

the second day i added no aquashield and only 200ml of Honey es and today there is MORE foam than before!!! ph is also elevating to 7.0..aghhh..;(

what's going on?? has anyone had this happen??

Mother Chucker · Sep 19, 2009

this happened to me once and I was using GH.
I think it's a build up and reaction issue but still unsure to this day because it never happened again.
I wound up having to break down my DWC unit to clean and restart that batch so i wish you better luck than me.

Jalisco Kid · Sep 19, 2009

your benies are overeating causeing a N imbalance most likely. What is your A. Nitro to Nitrate ratio of your nutes? What is the size of your rez?

stardust · Sep 19, 2009

It is a small 40 gal rez. Ill go check the NO to NO3 but this is my formula so far:

RIPENING WEEK FIVE Master Kush
200ml GH FLORANOVA Bloom
200ml GH Kool bloom liquid
2 sachets H&G shooting powder
10tsp GH KoolBloomSOLID ripening
40ml Supernatural Budblaster powder
40ml GH Floralisious plus
200ml GH FloraBlend
1200ml BUdswell guano
200ml Botanicare Aquashield
400ml Botanicare CALMAG+
200ml Humboldt Honey -ES
200ml Heavyweight Molases syrup

TWO THINGS THAT CHANGED: THE FLORANOVA Was shaken by me instead of drill and the benies in the rez were accompanied by extra sweet carbs in the ripening formula.

stardust · Sep 19, 2009

Ive also noticed the PPMs going DOWN rather than up when i add my nutes...i kept a log and it seems that budblaster brings it down..wierdddd!!! very likely a chemical reaction or bonding right?? so there are less molecules to count ppms..

ill go make a new rez too...with no more carbsssss....

:(

Jalisco Kid · Sep 20, 2009

Here is a link to what I was talking about.

stardust · Sep 20, 2009

Thank you Jalisco. I'll get a second same sized rez too. and alternate to learn faster. I'll also quit the budblaster and stick to shooting powders. my ppms were 1900 to 1600 now with all the finishers..the froth was def from the honey-es and benies..

do you have a link to learn how to find ppm of each NPK???

thank you a milllllll!!!!!!!

Jalisco Kid · Sep 21, 2009

I use a one from a nute comp but it is private access. Check out this link and click on plant calculator which is about 1/3 down..JK
http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm

Greyskull · Sep 21, 2009

foaming like beer?
does it look like this?

Greyskull said:
I have an announcement about Aurora Innovations: ROOTS ORGANICS TRINITY CATALYST. Its a basically supposed to be like Sweet or Sweet Leaf... a carb/sugar booster. Supposed to be compatible with all nutrient programs. I added it to the rez for my week 2 banana og table (5ml/g... 200ml total). When I checked my reservior this evening to see how things were the rez is foaming and looking like fucking bubble bath. I am not saying the stuff doesn't work, cause I don't know yet. But it doesn't seem to be playing nice with the rest of the stuff in the rez. Maybe its better for those who hand feed in soilless mixes....

heres some pics of the reserviors...
BOTH
BUBBLY w/airstone
NORMAL
BUBBLY w/out airstone

I FIGURED OUT THAT TURNING OFF THE AIRSTONES IN THE REZ STOPPED THE BUBBLING... gonna have to watch the rez closely thruought the week for buildup and stuff. I don't like that the rez isn't going to be getting all the fresh o2...

Jalisco Kid · Sep 21, 2009

You can you enzymes to stop the foam and clean your roots and pipes. JK

Greyskull · Sep 21, 2009

a dude at the hydro shop gave me that same tip - said zyms are great for cleaning trays

stardust · Sep 21, 2009

yes, frothy in deed. i think you are right about that sweet causing it..mine happened with molases etc carbs, 200ml of Honey-E.S. and benies...foammmy.

do you know how carbs are absorbed by the plants? is it a bacterial carb use biproduct intake or can the roots take in complex sugars??

keyplay · Sep 21, 2009

The Root's Trinity does that to me in my 55 gallon rez's.
I agree it has something to do with the molasses and beneficials as I grow organic. I never really tripped on it. I've always looked at it as "living organics". Its just kind of messy and leave a tough caked on residue.

Greyskull · Sep 21, 2009

it wasnt the sweet... the rez with the sweet (and airstones working see big bubbles) is the clear one - pic 4.... SWEET WORKS GREAT!
pic 3 shows the foamy rez w/the airstone OFF (see little bubbles - they are the remnants of the foam in pics 1 & 2).. its that molasses based roots orgain trinity shit that started the bubblies.

its an organic (like berr sweet) carb/sweetner with a main ingredient of molasses, and its the only nutrient/additive difference between the 2 rez's.. one got sweet the other trinity.

do you have airstones in your rez?
have you used either the honey es or molasses in the same nuritent mix prior?
if adding both product to your rez for the first time together it is kinda hard to really say which one is the cause. If my memory serves me right, the honey es is molasses based... so it could be that.. btu you added straight mollasses, too, right?

yezmar420 · Oct 18, 2009

If you see the foam it is working the way it's supposed to...I found that if you let the organics bubble more than 24 hours you will get this.

Only way to avoid this is to mix smaller batches and use within a couple days. Large batches end up being a waste, the solution bubbles then exhausts itself of the stuff your plant is supposed to get.

M.S.T. · Jan 29, 2010

Bringin back thread for more info, happened to me last night after adding molasses and sugar based flora nectar. Basically I believe the airstone is rapidly fermenting the res water. PH is holding so I think I am going to leave it until next res change. Any Idea? Good, Bad, or Ugly? See for your self.

pharmaseed · Jan 30, 2010

are you using any beneficials or enzymes ???

M.S.T. · Jan 30, 2010

No, and I just left it. It's fine, today I checked it and foam was all gone. I will cahange res on tues as normal and only 21 days left.

forknowledge · Jan 30, 2010

Keep the temp of your rez no higher than 23C but ideally 21C any warmer than that & youll have issues.

justiceman · Jan 31, 2010

stardust said:
It is a small 40 gal rez. Ill go check the NO to NO3 but this is my formula so far:

RIPENING WEEK FIVE Master Kush
200ml GH FLORANOVA Bloom
200ml GH Kool bloom liquid
2 sachets H&G shooting powder
10tsp GH KoolBloomSOLID ripening
40ml Supernatural Budblaster powder
40ml GH Floralisious plus
200ml GH FloraBlend
1200ml BUdswell guano
200ml Botanicare Aquashield
400ml Botanicare CALMAG+
200ml Humboldt Honey -ES
200ml Heavyweight Molases syrup

TWO THINGS THAT CHANGED: THE FLORANOVA Was shaken by me instead of drill and the benies in the rez were accompanied by extra sweet carbs in the ripening formula.

I Put in bold and underlined the nutrients that most definitely facilitate bacteria growth. The Humboldt honey and molasses was the food. The Flora blend was the organic and mineral matter for the microbes to hold onto and eat as well. Then the Budswell probably did the trick by introducing bacteria and fungi to the nute solution. As a result bacteria flourished and raised the ph. Fungi give off acid byproducts when they eat and bacteria give of alkaline slime byproducts when they eat. In turn the Bacteria to Fungi ratio in Organics is what ultimately determines PH. I probably would omit those nutes from my rez next time. Maybe just use the honey es alone. Or just use sweet. Its a hydro carb.

MichaelFranti said:
my personaly hypothesis would be that you are creating an organic tea essentially in your rez, i make organic teas myself, and mollases feeds the beneficial bacteria you are brewing, furthermore i do believe you can make an organic tea from mollases alone (i know someone does it never done it myself) and when you make a good tea, it gets frothy just like in your picture and smells earthy, i assume you have an airstone or two at the bottom of your rez correct? what do you all think about that idea

I think you are right on the money

M.S.T. said:
Bringin back thread for more info, happened to me last night after adding molasses and sugar based flora nectar. Basically I believe the airstone is rapidly fermenting the res water. PH is holding so I think I am going to leave it until next res change. Any Idea? Good, Bad, or Ugly? See for your self.

Doesn't look like too much foam. Sometimes molasses foams up a bit I am assuming It may be an organic reaction between all the minerals, vitamins and oxygen in the water. Not sure though. Generally I think using Sweet in a hydro res is a better idea. It is more refined so it shouldn't really facilitate bacteria or fungal growth witch you don't want in a rez. I wouldn't worry too much about it if your plants are doing fine. Just make sure it doesn't progress.

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