Kaskadian
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Sorry man, no experience but I'm interested to see where this goes. I'm thinking of running a couple landraces next spring.
Good idea to have them in a different room. I was thinking about doing a indoor winter grow. Might have to do the same with one instead of waiting. I'd like to see if the properties might help my wife.Landraces are definitely a lot of fun to grow despite the difficulties that come with them. I'm setting up a few tents in a different room to play with them. Might just have to veg them out and wing it.
I hope you'll do a grow log if/when you get started!
Cheers!
Good idea to have them in a different room. I was thinking about doing a indoor winter grow. Might have to do the same with one instead of waiting. I'd like to see if the properties might help my wife.
From the little reading I have done I didn't realize they could be so finicky.
For sure. Doing a grow log this year was really helpful. A couple more weeks and they should be ready.
That will be really cool to see the side by side of hydro vs soil.Can't wait to see! I know some landrace growers don't feed certain strains at all for the entire grow... it's crazy stuff. Assuming you have lots of root space and nutrient rich soil they just let the plant grow and use up the nutrients gradually.
I'm cleaning out a room now to run these sativas. I think I'll be started in the next 2 weeks. I'm going to start these sativas in happy frog soil (3 gal pots), and take + root cuttings and play with those cuttings in a DWC hydro setup. I have a feeling hydro is going to be a bitch with as finicky as these strains are. I guess that's 1/2 the fun of growing though. I'm going to feed at 1:4 dose and keep the PPMs low in hydro. I think the key is going to be keeping that PH dialed in, and keep the nutrients steady at a low dose.
I'll post up a grow log for shits and giggles once it gets going. I'll prob end up tossing a few cuttings in soil into the flower room too. I'd like to see a side by side hydro vs soil on these landraces. When looking at 20+ weeks there are a lot of variables to consider in hydro that are lesser issues in soil (PH can be a bit more flexible, feeding, etc).
My main concern indoors with these landraces is really the stretch in hydro. These landraces perform best with limited rootspace indoors because it can somewhat limit the stretch. In a DWC setup they have essentially unlimited rootspace. I wouldn't be surprised to see 12" cuttings hit 5' by the end. I think I'll end up trying to scrog them to control the height.
Cheers!
That will be really cool to see the side by side of hydro vs soil.
Yeah, I bet controlling the pH will be the most important. You just don't have that buffering capacity like you do with soil. I'm sure even a tiny fluctuation would stress them.
Is there any buffering solution you could add to the resivoir so it would be a little easier to keep it easier for you?
I hadn't thought about the basically endless capacity for the roots to grow in hydro. I bet they will easily be 5 feet by the time they are done. Scrogging will be a must, it sounds like, and even then I'm sure you'll end up with some crazy growth to deal with.
20+ weeks just blows my mind for flowering time. Can't imagine. I wonder how I could manage that outdoors. We are already getting freezing temps here. Everything switched over about the beginning of august.
Best of luck man. I'll be watching the action.
Cheers
Bummer. It'd be great if there was something to help you keep the pH stable. Great idea though about having the second res. That will probably make it much more manageable.I'm not aware of any kind of reliable PH buffer that would work effectively. I'm thinking I'll have to be in there checking the PH a couple times a day. I'm thinking about setting up a second reservoir so I can just transfer over the top of the DWC into PH checked water that I've already dialed in.
I'm not trying to be a buzz kill brother but you can't grow these strains outdoors unless you live very far south or somewhere near the equator. They'll never finish. Natural lighting cycles will never be quite right to allow these strains to finish. I suppose you could do some kind of light dep setup, but you'd be covering monster plants, and temps would be a huge issue come winter. I'm in the same boat, I live in the PNW and have to run these strains indoors to get them to finish.
I'm thinking there are only two real options for me to run these in my space. The first being throwing rooted clones under flower (11/13 or 10/14) immediately and try to LST them to control the stretch. The second option which I'll most likely go with is SCROG. I might end up setting up two screens at different heights and try to control these monsters. Max height in my setup in 6.5' and I still have to get my lights in there, and all that other good stuff. My actual growing height is closer to 5' when you factor in containers, lighting, fans, etc.
Cleaning up the grow room now, I'll most likely start a thread once I pop these beans. It'll be a long work in progress since I'll be vegging these out prior to starting flower. I'd start them in he DWC if I was confident enough that they wouldn't freak out and die. Having plants to take cuttings from at least leaves me with room to recover if that happens.
Cheers!
How much space do you have? Not head space but floor footage? Reason I ask for floor footages and not head space is because I am going to suggest that you go with a scrog. Landrace sativas of the haze varieties will quickly outgrow limited headroom. They are a tough go even with a scrog as a long flowering haze will quickly fill a scrog screen. Would suggest you only veg for 4-5 nodes and them flip them. Just 1 haze plant can fill a 5 x 5 scrog with the quickness. Keep tucking even after flower as with a 4 month flower period you will find shit out of control. You can tuck well into flower as long as you dont stress the plant too much. Be sure your screen has 3x3 or 4x4" openings to allow for bending colas and fitting them thru the openings. Or you can use pipe cleaners to tie them down to keep the growth horizontal. The hardest part is determine when to let the grow tips go vertical due to calculating if you will run out of headroom. If headroom isnt an issue you should be all set.Hi all,
I have a few funky strains that I'm going to be running soon. I've run a few long running strains before (13-14 weeks). The strains I'll be running are as follows:
Green Haze (16-20 weeks)
Mangobiche (16-24 weeks)
Purple Haze x Honduras (Unknown flowering time I'm guessing 13-15 weeks?)
I know landraces in general don't respond well to feedings (especially nitrogen), and tend to be finicky in general. I've always ran sativa doms in relatively hot soil and barely fed them @1/4-1/2 strength doses.
I wanted to take cuttings, root them, and run them in a DWC SCROG setup for shits and giggles. Just a fun project, not a serious grow. I imagine PH would have to be dialed in perfectly, and I was planning on running 1/4 strength nutrients.
Anyone with landrace experience in a hydro setup?
Cheers all,
Kas
I'm following this! I've always wanted to try this. How's the smoke on those landraces anyway?
How much space do you have? Not head space but floor footage? Reason I ask for floor footages and not head space is because I am going to suggest that you go with a scrog. Landrace sativas of the haze varieties will quickly outgrow limited headroom. They are a tough go even with a scrog as a long flowering haze will quickly fill a scrog screen. Would suggest you only veg for 4-5 nodes and them flip them. Just 1 haze plant can fill a 5 x 5 scrog with the quickness. Keep tucking even after flower as with a 4 month flower period you will find shit out of control. You can tuck well into flower as long as you dont stress the plant too much. Be sure your screen has 3x3 or 4x4" openings to allow for bending colas and fitting them thru the openings. Or you can use pipe cleaners to tie them down to keep the growth horizontal. The hardest part is determine when to let the grow tips go vertical due to calculating if you will run out of headroom. If headroom isnt an issue you should be all set.
Landrace sativas are an exercise in patience and scrogging them is a lot of work. But if you have the time and inclination you will be rewarded with some nice smoke ..........
You made a good point on the nute thing as sativas especially dont like a lot of ferts. Go easy as too much will cause it to hermie on you.( in addition be extra vigilant with that green haze, the thai background is prone to be hermaphroditic by nature) I would suggest starting at only a 1/4 of what your labels say for a few weeks. This is also due to the dwc method is very efficient and supplies a lot of DO so a ton of nutes isnt necessary. You can always up the mix should they start to show deficiencies.
Be sure as the flower period drags on to keep your area under the scrog net cleared of lower growth and keep a fan or 2 blowing air thru the underside for maximum circulation. Good to see someone else that has the patience to grow a long flowering strain. I will be close by eating canna butter pop corn filling the chillum and getting older watching your run. :D We can become Rip van wrinkles waiting for harvest on this run. LOL
Good luck and grow karma on your run. If you get stuck or need any help pm me and I'll be glad to lend a hand. Peace out
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