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Thatoneguyyouknow_ · Aug 9, 2024

MrT420 said:
That is awesome info I do have really hard water.

the hard water will deposit excessive calcium and potassium in your top soil if planted in ground, over time it will build and alkalize the top soil and cause some alkaline micronutrient lockouts (manganese and stuff, will even lock it out of root fungi).

high clay and shale allows you to lockup the extra calcium and potassium in the clay/shale in exchange for some bioavailable silica by acidifying the top soil with soil acidifier. Potassium burn/manganese lockout from hard well water sneaks up on you. Itll be fine for a good long time, then it wont be and youll have a bunch of burnt leaf tips and margins and nothing but bull thistle and dandelions will want to grow the following season lol.

cpurola · Aug 10, 2024

I have the same black on a few of my bud sites too. I think it might be phytoplasma spread by sucking insects like leaf hoppers.
At least it might be. Here's a pic of mine. And no, I don't know what to do about it except go nuclear on all the bugs and I can't do that.
Outdoor growing in Southeast Michigan you learn very quickly to expect lots of losses. Good thing they allow 12 plants.

Oldchucky · Aug 10, 2024

cpurola said:
I have the same black on a few of my bud sites too. I think it might be phytoplasma spread by sucking insects like leaf hoppers.
At least it might be. Here's a pic of mine. And no, I don't know what to do about it except go nuclear on all the bugs and I can't do that.
Outdoor growing in Southeast Michigan you learn very quickly to expect lots of losses. Good thing they allow 12 plants.

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Are you going to go nuclear on the plant?

Rooke · Aug 10, 2024

Oldchucky said:
Are you going to go nuclear on the plant?

What are you going to use on the leaf hoppers I have some but I don’t think they are causing to much damage as of yet and I think they’re almost done as in life cycle I don’t spray either chuck just some potassium bicarbonate if pm shows up later in flower

Oldchucky · Aug 10, 2024

I have a lot of tiny leafhoppers, but they don’t do much damage, and that stuff hasn’t seemed to to have shown up on the West Coast! Interested to see what happens to Mr. T’s plant and cpurrrs.

Rooke · Aug 10, 2024

My gals show all the things that leave scars on leaves but flowers seem to ok so I bare with it to a point then I could get nasty and trim them off

Rooke · Aug 10, 2024

Rooke said:
My gals show all the things that leave scars on leaves but flowers seem to ok so I bare with it to a point then I could get nasty and trim them off

I think I used some insecticidal soap on them years ago but just on the stems with a small rag if I remember correctly

cpurola · Aug 10, 2024

Oldchucky said:
Are you going to go nuclear on the plant?

Rooke said:
What are you going to use on the leaf hoppers I have some but I don’t think they are causing to much damage as of yet and I think they’re almost done as in life cycle I don’t spray either chuck just some potassium bicarbonate if pm shows up later in flower

Just gonna let it ride and see what happens. Went out this morning and found a full grown mantis on a plant. It's a sign.
My garden IS an experiment to see which plants can survive here. If I try to interfere too much it will invalidate the results.
(or I'm just lazy. LOL)

Rooke · Aug 10, 2024

Rooke said:
I think I used some insecticidal soap on them years ago but just on the stems with a small rag if I remember correctly

I think they left a white powdery film where they laid eggs I’m not certain but I had them way worse back then

Rooke · Aug 10, 2024

Rooke said:
I think they left a white powdery film where they laid eggs I’m not certain but I had them way worse back then

Maybe you can just try it on one and see what happens??

Oldchucky · Aug 10, 2024

cpurola said:
Just gonna let it ride and see what happens. Went out this morning and found a full grown mantis on a plant. It's a sign.
My garden IS an experiment to see which plants can survive here. If I try to interfere too much it will invalidate the results.
(or I'm just lazy. LOL)

Keep your eyes peeled! Stuff sounds pretty contagious! With leafhoppers vectoring it!

MrT420 · Aug 10, 2024

Oldchucky said:
I have a lot of tiny leafhoppers, but they don’t do much damage, and that stuff hasn’t seemed to to have shown up on the West Coast! Interested to see what happens to Mr. T’s plant and cpurrrs.

I'm gonna let it ride for a bit see what nature does

MrT420 · Aug 10, 2024

cpurola said:
I have the same black on a few of my bud sites too. I think it might be phytoplasma spread by sucking insects like leaf hoppers.
At least it might be. Here's a pic of mine. And no, I don't know what to do about it except go nuclear on all the bugs and I can't do that.
Outdoor growing in Southeast Michigan you learn very quickly to expect lots of losses. Good thing they allow 12 plants.

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We are allowed 4 in my area so I have to minimize loss.

Rooke · Aug 10, 2024

Oldchucky said:
Keep your eyes peeled! Stuff sounds pretty contagious! With leafhoppers vectoring it!

The trials and tribulations continue ahhhhh fack!

cpurola · Aug 10, 2024

Rooke said:
The trials and tribulations continue ahhhhh fack!

AGREED!!!!

Rooke · Aug 10, 2024

cpurola said:
AGREED!!!!

At last the rain seems to be gone bonus!!

cpurola · Aug 10, 2024

MrT420 said:
We are allowed 4 in my area so I have to minimize loss.

I posted this on my thread but if it is useful for you I'll post it here too. Not good news.
Depending where you are located, the MSU extension service has an entire text messenging service for just this thing.
Aster Yellows Leafhopper

Rooke · Aug 10, 2024

I signed up thanks for that link C

Rooke · Aug 10, 2024

Fuckers are on my carrots

Rooke · Aug 10, 2024

This is when I Loose it!!!

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