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MIGrampaUSA · Sep 11, 2022

I guess you didn't see the Microbe charge. It's already in the mix. I don't have to guess because all the calculations were done by scientists who are far more capable of mixing these things together in proper ratios than your average joes. Yes, it's a nutrient tea essentially, supercharged with beneficial microbes. There's nothing non-organic about it. It completely fits the definition of organic gardening ... even if it doesn't fit yours.

What I'm saying is nothing needs to be complicated if you choose the right processes. Too many people have problems when it becomes complicated, and then they lose interest.

MIGrampaUSA · Sep 11, 2022

Glomus said:
OK so no dis respect to your method, but having that many nutrients in your tea is really more of nutrient tea than a compost tea. If you don't have a process to get the roots inoculated with mycorrhizae you are not really doing organic farming. If your not re using your soil it should have plenty of nutrients in it to get you threw veg with a little fish and kelp before they start pushing. Organic farming is about the amendments you add into your soil and the how well the microbes are breaking those down and feeding your plant. Its not about feeding your plant with liquid nutes but rather feeding your living soil. "Organic" nutes, but after looking at the ingredients on roots organic thats all the same stuff I use pretty much. I just amend all that into my soil and let the microbes get to work all season long, while sometimes top dressing for a little extra P. and try not to disturb the soil. I don't even mess with bloom boosters anymore. High phosphorous will kill your Mycorrhizae and they are gimicky. But If you are not reusing your soil your missing out on nutrients that take a longer time to break down such a secondary and complex amendments that sometimes take 4-6 months to break down. I always reuse my soil adding a bit of fresh amendments and compost to it every season.

Feeding the plant the basic NPK is easy but those secondary nutes and minerals are when the strains full spectrum of traits really shine thru, and that isn't as easy as buying a product of secondary nutes or minerals and just feeding it in when you think you might have a deficiency. Your soil should be getting better and better every year. Also if you get the mycorrhizae really going in the soil, trenches are better as the fungus creates a web that connects the plants to each other feeding each other when there is deficiencies and even triggering defenses in the whole trench when one plant is attacked by disease or bugs. The soil food web science has come a long way in the past decade. Do you know what specific microbes are in roots organic microbe charge?

Ahhh, but those webs of mycorrhizae can also be the source of gardening fungal issues as it can become infected itself. Which in turn means every plant in that trench and even the web system gets infected. So there's 2 sides to this coin.

As for what is in Microbe Charge, its listed on the bag. Their website also has this information. Go see for yourself. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Glomus · Sep 11, 2022

MIGrampaUSA said:
I guess you didn't see the Microbe charge. It's already in the mix. I don't have to guess because all the calculations were done by scientists who are far more capable of mixing these things together in proper ratios than your average joes. Yes, it's a nutrient tea essentially, supercharged with beneficial microbes. There's nothing non-organic about it. It completely fits the definition of organic gardening ... even if it doesn't fit yours.

What I'm saying is nothing needs to be complicated if you choose the right processes. Too many people have problems when it becomes complicated, and then they lose interest.

That's true I agree, people definitely over think somethings when it comes to growing weed lol. especially nutrients. All I'm saying is some of those ingredients take longer to break down then others, by microbes is all take it for what its worth. Of course the nutrient companies are going to say whatever they need to, they are always coming up with new flashy products to sell people.

That's why Glomus interaradices is the superior and best strain of mycorrhizae to use for your garden. And if it does get infected, re incoulate with beneficial bacteria and or Mycorrhizae as a last resort to remediate and wipe out the problem.

MIGrampaUSA · Sep 11, 2022

Glomus said:
That's true I agree, people definitely over think somethings when it comes to growing weed lol. especially nutrients. All I'm saying is some of those ingredients take longer to break down then others, by microbes is all take it for what its worth. Of course the nutrient companies are going to say whatever they need to, they are always coming up with new flashy products to sell people.
I can't find the list of microbes for the 'roots organic microbe charge' just curious which fungi and beneficial bacteria are in there.

Not in an aerated mix. You're taking what happens in nature and fine tuning what happens in days/months into a few hours. It's the same concept of using beneficial microbes in waste water processing. You're releasing clean water in less than 24 hrs in the waste water system. The bugs eat the shit and makes the water clean. In an aerated tea using beneficial microbes, the aeration process activates the microbes and it digests the nutrients into a useable form in less than 24 hrs.

Glomus · Sep 11, 2022

MIGrampaUSA said:
Not in an aerated mix. You're taking what happens in nature and fine tuning what happens in days/months into a few hours. It's the same concept of using beneficial microbes in waste water processing. You're releasing clean water in less than 24 hrs in the waste water system. The bugs eat the shit and makes the water clean. In an aerated tea using beneficial microbes, the aeration process activates the microbes and it digests the nutrients into a useable form in less than 24 hrs.

Something like that, what I was trying to explain was that there are some systems of bacteria that take years to establish, some that break down rock/trace minerals. getting N P K in a compost teas for sure. But oxygen doesn't dissolve that easily in water and takes some serious pumps to make it happen, there are aerobic and anaerobic and other types of bacteria that survive in anaerobic condition for extended periods of time although they are considered aerobic. I'm really interested in anaerobic fermentations and LAB, I wonder how many times compost teas end up similar to those un intentionally. But anyway, I really want a microscope to do some analysis on my soil and feeds.

Glomus · Sep 11, 2022

MIGrampaUSA said:
Ahhh, but those webs of mycorrhizae can also be the source of gardening fungal issues as it can become infected itself. Which in turn means every plant in that trench and even the web system gets infected. So there's 2 sides to this coin.

As for what is in Microbe Charge, its listed on the bag. Their website also has this information. Go see for yourself. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

I found it, yeah I would say this is a great soil inoculant. brewing a tea with it kind of defeats the purpose, I would use this an inoculant as is. also to control pest and disease. this is basically a compost tea foliar spray ready to go and you know exactly what is in it because its formulated by scientists like you said, if you brew it your going to get a different make up organisms depending on what kind of nutrients your feeding with, ratios of those nutrients, temperature, exact time of aeration or brewing, outside contam. etc. but some of those bacteria have that anti fungal anti bacteria property to them so I'd imagine its the same as just watering that powder into the soil. Plus your feeding at the same time. I just don't inoculate more than twice as to not disturb the growing microbiome in the soil after the plant goes into the ground, and just spray the compost teas for disease.

Glomus · Sep 11, 2022

MIGrampaUSA said:
Not in an aerated mix. You're taking what happens in nature and fine tuning what happens in days/months into a few hours. It's the same concept of using beneficial microbes in waste water processing. You're releasing clean water in less than 24 hrs in the waste water system. The bugs eat the shit and makes the water clean. In an aerated tea using beneficial microbes, the aeration process activates the microbes and it digests the nutrients into a useable form in less than 24 hrs.

I understand what you mean by speeding up the process but mycorrhizae create Glomalin and it takes a while for that to build up in the soil, when you introduce a huge hungry herd of microbes all the time they will eat that up quickly and degrade the chemistry of your soil. This is why I do fermentation tea that has gone until it is no longer active with microbes and just use the water soluble nutes in the tea to feed basically, But yeah I think were on the same page MIGrampa, Roots Organic is a great line. I just get too caught up on the details of certain things sometimes.

MIGrampaUSA · Sep 11, 2022

The problem with anaerobic decomposition is it creates a lot of undesirable organisms, it smells horrible during fermentation, produces methane gas as a by-product, and in some instances it can be poisonous. While there may be some exceptions, the rule of thumb has always been aerobic decomposition = good. Anaerobic decomposition = bad/toxic. This has been the industry standard ... in many industries ... for a long time. Some anaerobic soil bacteria such as clostridium botulism produce exotoxins that will kill you even in small amounts. Exotoxin means that the bacteria excreted the toxin and left it behind in the soil. It's also a neurotoxin which makes it pretty nasty stuff. Here's a short write-up that gives a synopsis of what is going on here: https://www.fda.gov/food/laboratory-methods-food/bam-chapter-17-clostridium-botulinum

@Glomus - My suggestion is if you're interested in microbes, take a course in microbiology. It will put the pieces together. It's usually considered a 300 level course so there are prerequisites required to fully understand its content. It's a fascinating subject. I took it almost 40 yrs ago in college when I was considering microbiology as a career. I'm sure there's more pieces of this puzzle that have been solved in the last 40 yrs

effexxess · Sep 11, 2022

I would go to get some Flying Skull Nuke Em and spray that before it gets worse.

Time is the enemy at this point. Don't want the buds to get infected.

MIGrampaUSA · Sep 11, 2022

effexxess said:
I would go to get some Flying Skull Nuke Em and spray that before it gets worse.

Time is the enemy at this point. Don't want the buds to get infected.

I have some and have already recommended it ... I concur with what you've said 100%

Kopper1013 · Sep 11, 2022

effexxess said:
I would go to get some Flying Skull Nuke Em and spray that before it gets worse.

Time is the enemy at this point. Don't want the buds to get infected.

The closest seller is 60 miles away, but is closed today, I’ll call tomorrow and see if it’s in stock, Amazon has it from private sellers but won’t arrive till end of the week to the beginning of next. Will wait and see tomorrow which is closer.
Until then potassium bicarbonate arrives tomorrow and treating with 50/50 today.

Loving all the options, will throw everything I can at them.

CannaGranny · Sep 11, 2022

An organic spray called Trifecta works great. Truly trying to blast it off with water is not a good thing as these are spores that you are activating and spreading to all of the leaves on your plant. Trifecta works. Smells like a big Greek salad Providing you follow the manufactures directions it will knock it dead out and can be used up to two weeks prior to harvest. Good luck!

MIGrampaUSA · Sep 11, 2022

CannaGranny said:
An organic spray called Trifecta works great. Truly trying to blast it off with water is not a good thing as these are spores that you are activating and spreading to all of the leaves on your plant. Trifecta works. Smells like a big Greek salad Providing you follow the manufactures directions it will knock it dead out. Good luck!

I've never used it but I have heard it's very effective. It's a highly recommended product all on its own and worth purchasing over Nuke Em if its available immediately.

Another great option ...

CannaGranny · Sep 11, 2022

MIGrampaUSA said:
I've never used it but I have heard it's very effective. It's a highly recommended product all on its own and worth purchasing over Nuke Em if its available immediately.

Another great option ...

After trying all the other things ppl recommended this stuff was the very best. I did the milk, the peroxide etc etc etc. I keep it on hand at all times now. One of the things I appreciated was that it did not smell toxic and the ladies actually seemed to groove on it. No left over taste in my flowers, no breathtaking noxious smells and following the manufacturer’s recommendation it did the job!
I tore down my grow and cleaned sprayed etc seven times in one grow before discovering the Trifecta.
Many complain about the cost 4 oz for 39.99, but this makes 4-8 gallon providing what you are treating. I consider even ten bucks a gallon a cheap fix to losing an entire crop. I won’t ever use anything else. Names like “nuke” scares the crap outta me!

MIGrampaUSA · Sep 11, 2022

CannaGranny said:
After trying all the other things ppl recommended this stuff was the very best. I did the milk, the peroxide etc etc etc. I keep it on hand at all times now. One of the things I appreciated was that it did not smell toxic and the ladies actually seemed to groove on it. No left over taste in my flowers, no breathtaking noxious smells and following the manufacturer’s recommendation it did the job!
I tore down my grow and cleaned sprayed etc seven times in one grow before discovering the Trifecta.
Many complain about the cost 4 oz for 39.99, but this makes 4-8 gallon providing what you are treating. I consider even ten bucks a gallon a cheap fix to losing an entire crop. I won’t ever use anything else. Names like “nuke” scares the crap outta me!

Then products like Nfuse should scare you even more ... systemic chemical based, not supported by OMRI and will help a commercial grower fail lab testing in the state of Michigan.

Yes, the Nuke Em name isn't the greatest choice but the product is very effective.

GNick55 · Sep 11, 2022

Kopper1013 said:
Well the plan is

Treat tomorrow with 50/50 hydrogen peroxide

I will start a batch of
L.A.B

Monday I have 2lbs of Potassium Bicarbonate being delivered and they’ll get a treatment of that and if it seems to work () I’ll continue every 7 days or so till a week from harvest bare minimum

you need an organic wetting agent also to mix with water and than apply

effexxess · Sep 11, 2022

CannaGranny said:
Names like “nuke” scares the crap outta me!

Yes. And the skull artwork looks like a bikers patch. Lots of people only started to use it after getting OMRI label.

No one's mentioned the Amazing Dr Zymes Eliminator?

MIGrampaUSA · Sep 11, 2022

effexxess said:
Yes. And the skull artwork looks like a bikers patch. Lots of people only started to use it after getting OMRI label.

No one's mentioned the Amazing Dr Zymes Eliminator?

I haven't because in my area its not available ... not until the end of the month. Even Amazon shows that. It seems there's still some supply chain issues going on.

Otherwise, another great choice.

Kopper1013 · Sep 11, 2022

GNick55 said:
you need an organic wetting agent also to mix with water and than apply

Like what?

And is this in reference to the 50/50, L.A.B or the potassium bicarbonate?

Kopper1013 · Sep 11, 2022

So many options! This is GREAT!!!!

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