How and why to properly neglect clones

Ponky · Jul 14, 2021

Here we have the clones that didn't make the cut. This tub is used to select 4 to 6 clones. 23 sites. I leave them (the extras) going in the cloner until it's time to clean up for new clones. They have been in the cloner for almost 10 weeks on just tap water. I adjusted the PH 2x. Once when I filled it. And once the next day after the bounce. 10 weeks later the PH is still 6.0 and the roots are there on clones that didn't make the cut. Given time almost all clones root. And they can be neglected. I wanted to see if they would get fungus or bugs or foul the water. Anything. This strain appears strong. A couple dried out and died. I literally did nothing. At week 3 when I took the strong ones from this batch they were still green and vigorous with roots.
It's good to discard any clones that isn't the best. Because they're almost free to grow. The collars are super cheap. Like 17 cents a piece. Tub was 12. Pumps are 20 a piece.

In case you were on the fence about cloning in a bubbly boi.

2Bad · Aug 19, 2021

Ponky said:
Here we have the clones that didn't make the cut. This tub is used to select 4 to 6 clones. 23 sites. I leave them (the extras) going in the cloner until it's time to clean up for new clones. They have been in the cloner for almost 10 weeks on just tap water. I adjusted the PH 2x. Once when I filled it. And once the next day after the bounce. 10 weeks later the PH is still 6.0 and the roots are there on clones that didn't make the cut. Given time almost all clones root. And they can be neglected. I wanted to see if they would get fungus or bugs or foul the water. Anything. This strain appears strong. A couple dried out and died. I literally did nothing. At week 3 when I took the strong ones from this batch they were still green and vigorous with roots.
It's good to discard any clones that isn't the best. Because they're almost free to grow. The collars are super cheap. Like 17 cents a piece. Tub was 12. Pumps are 20 a piece.View attachment 1145808 View attachment 1145807
In case you were on the fence about cloning in a bubbly boi.

Did u make the tub ?

Ponky · Aug 19, 2021

2Bad said:
Did u make the tub ?

Yeah. 12 bucks.

Cashmeh · Aug 20, 2021

I might attempt to make some clones off this batch. Is that normal for clones to take 10 weeks to root? I can grow a king kong plant from seed in that time. If this is the normal time, I will never do it lol. Id rather attempt breeding and making my own seeds.

I was going to use Rockwool, cut stem at angle, dip in this gel i got, place them in presoaked 200ppm rockwool, in another fallponics cloning hydro system. I imagined they would root in a week or 2.

Ponky · Aug 20, 2021

Cashmeh said:
I might attempt to make some clones off this batch. Is that normal for clones to take 10 weeks to root? I can grow a king kong plant from seed in that time. If this is the normal time, I will never do it lol. Id rather attempt breeding and making my own seeds.

I was going to use Rockwool, cut stem at angle, dip in this gel i got, place them in presoaked 200ppm rockwool, in another fallponics cloning hydro system. I imagined they would root in a week or 2.

The water and clone collar clone take 18 to 21 days. Where as rockwool and root mat with hormones and tap water take like 5 to 7. But I find the rockwool clones to be less robust. The water clones grow lots of hair roots and a few big pseudo tap root type roots.

ErikSmith79 · Oct 3, 2021

Love clones. Let me know ASAP please

AaronS · Oct 3, 2021

Cashmeh said:
I might attempt to make some clones off this batch. Is that normal for clones to take 10 weeks to root? I can grow a king kong plant from seed in that time. If this is the normal time, I will never do it lol. Id rather attempt breeding and making my own seeds.

I was going to use Rockwool, cut stem at angle, dip in this gel i got, place them in presoaked 200ppm rockwool, in another fallponics cloning hydro system. I imagined they would root in a week or 2.

Thats basically the outline here www.weedgineer.com/clones

PipeCarver · Oct 3, 2021

Ponky said:
Here we have the clones that didn't make the cut. This tub is used to select 4 to 6 clones. 23 sites. I leave them (the extras) going in the cloner until it's time to clean up for new clones. They have been in the cloner for almost 10 weeks on just tap water. I adjusted the PH 2x. Once when I filled it. And once the next day after the bounce. 10 weeks later the PH is still 6.0 and the roots are there on clones that didn't make the cut. Given time almost all clones root. And they can be neglected. I wanted to see if they would get fungus or bugs or foul the water. Anything. This strain appears strong. A couple dried out and died. I literally did nothing. At week 3 when I took the strong ones from this batch they were still green and vigorous with roots.
It's good to discard any clones that isn't the best. Because they're almost free to grow. The collars are super cheap. Like 17 cents a piece. Tub was 12. Pumps are 20 a piece.View attachment 1145808 View attachment 1145807
In case you were on the fence about cloning in a bubbly boi.

Impressive root growth. I don't have any trouble cloning but I like the looks of your system. I just cut, scrape, dip in rooting gel, stick it in the dirt and put it in a dome, 2 weeks later I have new growth on most.
So the tub holds the water, the collars hold the cutting, what does the pump do? I have tub, pump,plants water line...what does the pump do other than recirculate the water? Don't you need to spray it on the roots with small direct able nozzle's?

1diesel1 · Oct 3, 2021

AaronS said:
Thats basically the outline here www.weedgineer.com/clone

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Ponky · Oct 3, 2021

PipeCarver said:
Impressive root growth. I don't have any trouble cloning but I like the looks of your system. I just cut, scrape, dip in rooting gel, stick it in the dirt and put it in a dome, 2 weeks later I have new growth on most.
So the tub holds the water, the collars hold the cutting, what does the pump do? I have tub, pump,plants water line...what does the pump do other than recirculate the water? Don't you need to spray it on the roots with small direct able nozzle's?

You can use venturi pumps or just air stones. The venturi pumps have the added advantage of adding 12 watts of heat to the water. And they do a good job agitating. The venturi provides plenty of bubbles. is pretty cheap. Air stones are good too. But you need quite a few of them. All the water needs is to circulate. The roots are fine to just hang in the water.

I like this method becuase I can make monster 9" clones that once transplanted are already 8 to 10 days ahead of the typical rockwool clone. You can make small clones too. But medium to large is ideal for this setup.

Ponky · Oct 3, 2021

Cashmeh said:
I might attempt to make some clones off this batch. Is that normal for clones to take 10 weeks to root? I can grow a king kong plant from seed in that time. If this is the normal time, I will never do it lol. Id rather attempt breeding and making my own seeds.

I was going to use Rockwool, cut stem at angle, dip in this gel i got, place them in presoaked 200ppm rockwool, in another fallponics cloning hydro system. I imagined they would root in a week or 2.

Rockwool roots the fastest. Most people just use a dome and heat mat. Claim roots in as little as 4 days. I'm not a fan. I find a lot of fungus issues with rockwool.

PipeCarver · Oct 3, 2021

Ponky said:
Rockwool roots the fastest. Most people just use a dome and heat mat. Claim roots in as little as 4 days. I'm not a fan. I find a lot of fungus issues with rockwool.

No rock wool for me I get good enough results as is. I just like the looks of that setup. I have most of what I'd need so it wouldn't cost me much to set it up. I have aquarium tank heaters,& pumps, a few airstones and other submersible pumps, hole saws, I'd just need collars and inspiration. I'd like to look at your pumping system & lines in the tub if you'd post that for me. I need pics lol..

DrStadanko · Oct 3, 2021

Ponky said:
Here we have the clones that didn't make the cut. This tub is used to select 4 to 6 clones. 23 sites. I leave them (the extras) going in the cloner until it's time to clean up for new clones. They have been in the cloner for almost 10 weeks on just tap water. I adjusted the PH 2x. Once when I filled it. And once the next day after the bounce. 10 weeks later the PH is still 6.0 and the roots are there on clones that didn't make the cut. Given time almost all clones root. And they can be neglected. I wanted to see if they would get fungus or bugs or foul the water. Anything. This strain appears strong. A couple dried out and died. I literally did nothing. At week 3 when I took the strong ones from this batch they were still green and vigorous with roots.
It's good to discard any clones that isn't the best. Because they're almost free to grow. The collars are super cheap. Like 17 cents a piece. Tub was 12. Pumps are 20 a piece.View attachment 1145808 View attachment 1145807
In case you were on the fence about cloning in a bubbly boi.

Hi FYI clones take 7-10 days to root , not 10 weeks , obviously you add no nutrients to tank , if you dont add , your wasting your time
good growing luck to you
DrStadanko

PipeCarver · Oct 3, 2021

DrStadanko said:
Hi FYI clones take 7-10 days to root , not 10 weeks , obviously you add no nutrients to tank , if you dont add , your wasting your time
good growing luck to you
DrStadanko

That has to be a brain fart...10 weeks lol....if they're not growing in 2 weeks then theys dead .

Ponky · Oct 3, 2021

DrStadanko said:
Hi FYI clones take 7-10 days to root , not 10 weeks , obviously you add no nutrients to tank , if you dont add , your wasting your time
good growing luck to you
DrStadanko

These are neglected clones that were left for 10 weeks to fend for themselves. After the 7 best were already selected and grown. This thread is about a tub of leftover clones. Its not a thread about growing clones. You torture test left overs to see how they respond. Or to see which one sucks up all the nutirents and out grows the others. The strong have already flowered. These are disposed of. They already didn't make the cut.

Ponky · Oct 3, 2021

PipeCarver said:
No rock wool for me I get good enough results as is. I just like the looks of that setup. I have most of what I'd need so it wouldn't cost me much to set it up. I have aquarium tank heaters,& pumps, a few airstones and other submersible pumps, hole saws, I'd just need collars and inspiration. I'd like to look at your pumping system & lines in the tub if you'd post that for me. I need pics lol..

If it's venturi pumps I have the pumps face each other. One high one low. And with the airstones I just ran 8 air lines from one pump and just tried to spread them out. I'm resetting in a week or two. So I'll try to remember.

Ponky · Oct 3, 2021

PipeCarver said:
That has to be a brain fart...10 weeks lol....if they're not growing in 2 weeks then theys dead .

They're not growing for any reason other than to see if they get sick. The ones that made the cut to finishing are already gone. This is how long they can survive without intervention in a cloner. Neglected and unneeded. Their fate was sealed when their siblings rooted first.
The longest its taken a cutting to root has been 24 days. The fastest. 4. Average is 10. With some kush strains taking 18 to 21 days to show roots.

GreenMtnGuru · Oct 3, 2021

DrStadanko said:
Hi FYI clones take 7-10 days to root , not 10 weeks , obviously you add no nutrients to tank , if you dont add , your wasting your time
good growing luck to you
DrStadanko

Dear Dr Whatever -

Kindly read posts thoroughly before posting you condescending, poorly written drivel.

You have a habit of making yourself look like a complete idiot.

Regards -
Everyone

DrStadanko · Oct 4, 2021

GreenMtnGuru said:
Dear Dr Whatever -

Kindly read posts thoroughly before posting you condescending, poorly written drivel.

You have a habit of making yourself look like a complete idiot.

Regards -
Everyone

gfys

PipeCarver · Oct 4, 2021

GreenMtnGuru said:
Dear Dr Whatever -

Kindly read posts thoroughly before posting you condescending, poorly written drivel.

You have a habit of making yourself look like a complete idiot.

Regards -
Everyone

I think we both read your post wrong, I too thought you we're taking 10 weeks to clone. After seeing the whole picture it makes more sense. Alls good its noon here and I'll be on my 4 joint in a few minutes. Life's Good

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