Purpletrain
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Bit strong saying there all the same bro but tbh there real hard to findU just described every last brreder on this site!!!!
Nobody's puttin in the werk anymore and hence the reason i gave up runnin seeds.
U know me manc. I aint the type to pull punches hahaBit strong saying there all the same bro but tbh there real hard to find
Agreed back in those days u could pop a packet of beans and they were all pretty much identical and stable too. too many s1 in the gene pools these days imoIt was neville that realised seeds were allowed to be made/ sold legaly in holland,(why hes known as the father of dutch seedbanks)and most of sensis strains were bred by him too, sensis not what it used to be.76
EXOTIC GENETIX :)Problem for me is i can only buy seeds,i have no access to clones so i have to rely on these breeders to try and get hold of some good gen.
The biggest problem i face is trying to buy seeds that are what they are described as,i have asked what breeders should i be buying off and everyone has different advice ill give an example.
Alot of people have adviced me to buy seeds off shanti and i was like whats his best strain,most people will say run ssh im like great that sounds good then when you read up on the strain you have people saying you have to run many seeds to get the true ssh pheno that is worth growning.
Why is this strain given so many thumbs up when it is soooo unstable.you would think people would be unhappy that its so hard to get a good pheno of this strain.
Thats my biggest issue with buying seeds,the lack of strains that people can agree on.
You would think that would be the easy part of growing getting strains that hold there traits.
Whinge over.
It was neville that realised seeds were allowed to be made/ sold legaly in holland,(why hes known as the father of dutch seedbanks)and most of sensis strains were bred by him too, sensis not what it used to be.76
Sounds like ya got burned. Dude, that sucks!You could also just beg for elite cuts find a random male and pollen chuck the hell outta them make a few handles online and hype everything super hard test nothing then fall off the planet when the hermagedon happens oh you need a snazzy name and a ridiculous price tag too .
GT21 said:It takes years to truly work a strain when working with all allele frequencies.
GT21 said:Open pollination is best.
symbiot420 said:Honestly not many of the people calling themselves breeders these days are willing to put in the kind of work it takes to produce quality strains/crosses but then again no one seems to care about that anymore just hype it and let the fanboys take over lol
symbiot420 said:Imho if someone hasn't been growing atleast 5 - 10 years they shouldn't even be thinking about becoming one.
gravekat303 said:You could also just beg for elite cuts find a random male and pollen chuck the hell outta them make a few handles online and hype everything super hard test nothing then fall off the planet when the hermagedon happens oh you need a snazzy name and a ridiculous price tag too .
Purpletrain said:Today's era of breeder is all about cashing in taking last years elte winning cup strain and crossing it with this years elite cup strain or more or less taking someone else's years of work and passing it off as there with crossing two elite strains most thought after :) these breeders are not true breeders , in my books there just lucky to be able to have the resources to get most sought after cup winning strains and crossing them before the next Hill billy does and putting it to market
true breeding is a lost art and why so many hermie prone genetics are out in the public to day
knoturstyle said:For me creating that elite is what I will stride for.
We Solidarity said:Cannabis breeders ruined the cannabis plant, through single plant selection in small quantity we choked out any hope of stabilizing lines.
We Solidarity said:The Dutch created great seed because they had the opportunity to pick through thousands of seeds, not for just one plant, but to pick every plant showing the desirable phenotype. An open pollination between dozens and dozens of plants showing identical phenotypic expression is how you stabilize a line, not by inbreeding and back crossing your best plants.
We Solidarity said:Real breeders haven't existed since the 80s outside of medical research farms in Europe and Israel...whatever the fuck we call breeding today is just amateur pollen chucking even if you have an internationally branded seed company...its complete greed and narrow-sightedness, with a lack of actual horticultural knowledge, that compels the seed market today. If you don't believe me just ask any breeder how many times he's found his stud pheno. Because chances are they stopped looking soon as they found it the first time.
We Solidarity said:But yeah...to answer the op- if you want to breed you need a team of exceptional badasses to test your lines for you, and you also need the patience/capital to grow cannabis for 8-12 months without seeing a profit.
Purpletrain said:For me there another thing I consider certainly important in cannabis breeding: the breeder's taste and signature.
Sativied said:Also, Ben Dronkers has been arrested over 80 times defying cops and laws and without his efforts most of the varieties today would not have become so widely available, including for many "breeders". Cannabis is illegal in NL opposed to what many believe. It was Ben Dronkers who figured out seeds were excluded from the ban and didn't capitulate. I don't think sensi has great breeders but you call him an opportunist, I call him a goddamn hero with a good business instinct. Yes, I agree growers should learn more about the history.
Sativied said:Breeding true is a means, never a goal by itself. Homozygosity is a road to homogeneity. Higher filial generations do not equate to more "real" breeding. Creating an F5 is not more "real" breeding than trying and testing different F1 hybrids. Problem there is the lack of effort gone into trying and testing.
Keekee said:Alot of people have adviced me to buy seeds off shanti and i was like whats his best strain,most people will say run ssh im like great that sounds good then when you read up on the strain you have people saying you have to run many seeds to get the true ssh pheno that is worth growning.
Purpletrain said:I respect all breeders, and how i determine a good breeder is looking at there strains and genetics used when i see a breeder with 15 strains and 12 of them have the same male used numerous different strains with the same dam male used or what ever unless the strain really catches my eye i walk away
Sativied said:Sensi is pretty much what it used to be, not much more either. What others failed to be and what many others tried to become or mimic since. Including Arjan, Shanti, and Neville again with ghs, and later MNS, and several people who worked at sensi. Everywhere Neville worked after Sensi led to false claims about how they supposedly had more original originals than Sam's stock that Neville sold to Sensi and the haze Sam sold to Eddie, the Flying Dutchmen. It's really no mystery where they all got their seeds, the same place most people did. Neville posted he bought the haze and several skunk lines from Sam, early pearl from Rob, and the early girl, afghani #1, californian orange and many others were already available from other seedbanks and used to create hybrids.
Sorry,can't help you there but I will say you've got your work cut out for you. Good luck though!So, if I have seeds that I made by proper breeding. How do I sell them...I don't know the first step.
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