I don't know what's wrong

[Jimmy_Dickskin]

Team
Need some help here Because I don't know what's wrong. Everything was going great. These were 3 of the strongest seeds I have grown. Had these in small 12 ounce pots since thanksgiving. They were doing great but started to droop a little so I repotted to what you see now on Saturday. They don't look any better. This is not my first grow so I have done this before but I can figure out what is causing this. I haven't given any nutes and when I repotted I used fresh FFOF.
When they were in the small pots they were under 2 single 6500k 100w bulbs and 1 5000k 100w bulbs at 18/6. When I repotted I moved them into the big tent under the VS3000 at 25% around 18" been constantly around 70% RH and 78%. I will say it was not that warm and humid before I moved them as they were in a closet

 

[RGWD0202]

From photos guessing overwatered but with no info provided not possible to help ya.

 

[Jimmy_Dickskin]

From photos guessing overwatered but with no info provided not possible to help ya.

I never would have guessed that. They were very dry when I transplanted them and this time I forgot to wet the new soil pots before I moved them. So it was even less wet than I have in the past. But man you may be dead on. with some of the picture comparisons I'm seeing. Maybe somewhere along the line when the were seedlings I was overwatering. But it looks like the symptoms.
Also, just realized the new pots were sitting in water and not draining. When I use this tent it's usually in a different room and the excess water runs out of weep holes I made. Well must be a different slop in the new spot Becasue they are just pitting in the excess runoff water.

Thanks for the help!

 

[Ninjadogma]

Overwatering is more a problem of frequency than volume. If you water too often, the plant will look like that. And if you don't use an adequate volume of water when needs to be watered, they'll look like that too.

You mentioned you had let it get dry. That could have driven the nutrient concentration up to the point it became too hot for the seedling. If soil was improperly stored before planting you can run into this (soil got dry, drove salts up), and I've reused soil and put babies in hot dirt without thinking what I was doing.

With what I just said, you would know better than us which scenario is more likely. If you've been leaving the soil wet, let it get dry between waterings. If you've been letting it get dry and this is what you're getting as a result, use more volume when you water but don't increase frequency.

 

[Jimmy_Dickskin]

Overwatering is more a problem of frequency than volume. If you water too often, the plant will look like that. And if you don't use an adequate volume of water when needs to be watered, they'll look like that too.

You mentioned you had let it get dry. That could have driven the nutrient concentration up to the point it became too hot for the seedling. If soil was improperly stored before planting you can run into this (soil got dry, drove salts up), and I've reused soil and put babies in hot dirt without thinking what I was doing.

With what I just said, you would know better than us which scenario is more likely. If you've been leaving the soil wet, let it get dry between waterings. If you've been letting it get dry and this is what you're getting as a result, use more volume when you water but don't increase frequency.

I would say this I let it get too dry just before I repotted. So that would have been Friday it was really dry in the first pots. Saturday when I replanted they were noticeably dropping and obviously even more dry a day later.
I then repotted into what you see now with new soil. But as I said I forgot to wet the soils before I put them in. So I had to dry swap them and then watered after to then point the water was running out. And as I said I really can't think that overwater in frequency or volume before I repotted. If anything it would have been the opposite and I was letting them dry too much.

So now they are wet, not soaked. So you would say let them dry then go back to letting them dry before

 

[Gmix]

just let them dry then water repeat rinse.
poke your finger in the soil feel how wet moist or dry it is.

 

[LoveGrowingIt]

The yellow color of the whole plant is characteristic of wet soil. It's caused by lack of oxygen for the roots. Plants usually recover from this as the soil dries. Avoid watering close to the stem.

 

[Gmix]

Going over the photo again how close is your light & what wattage is it

Have you dimmed it

Looks a bit close they don’t need much light at that age

The photo you posted they were definitely overwatered & stressed they may take a few days to dry out & recover if you have any some super thrive might help if not don’t worry it’s no biggie just let them dry more before you water

 

[Jimmy_Dickskin]

Going over the photo again how close is your light & what wattage is it

Have you dimmed it

Looks a bit close they don’t need much light at that age

The photo you posted they were definitely overwatered & stressed they may take a few days to dry out & recover if you have any some super thrive might help if not don’t worry it’s no biggie just let them dry more before you water

Going over the photo again how close is your light & what wattage is it

Have you dimmed it

Looks a bit close they don’t need much light at that age

The photo you posted they were definitely overwatered & stressed they may take a few days to dry out & recover if you have any some super thrive might help if not don’t worry it’s no biggie just let them dry more before you water

Light is 300w vivosun at the lowest setting (25%) at 18".

 

[ChairmanFester]

Light is 300w vivosun at the lowest setting (25%) at 18".

Right, but the PPFD is what? Do you have a meter?

 

[WinJr63]

Free app for PPFD.

 

[Jimmy_Dickskin]

Free app for PPFD.

I use this. Anybody have any thoughts on its accuracy? Do you have the secondary filter that they talk about or do you just use a piece of paper?

 

[Jez187]

look over watered and hungry. did you presoak the medium before planting?

 

[Ninjadogma]

Based on what you said, I believe what has happened, you let the soil get nice and dry which made an excess of nutrients available when the plant got watered. You likely have a high EC pocket in the root ball from the soil the plant was in before it was repotted. A classic sign of this is the yellowing shows up or gets dramatically worse AFTER it gets watered. It sags, it claws, you think it's overwatered but it's really just overfed and you gotta get the soil diluted down in that scenario. Overwatered or overfed, a plant reacts similarly because both involve oxygen deprivation.

 

[Jimmy_Dickskin]

Based on what you said, I believe what has happened, you let the soil get nice and dry which made an excess of nutrients available when the plant got watered. You likely have a high EC pocket in the root ball from the soil the plant was in before it was repotted. A classic sign of this is the yellowing shows up or gets dramatically worse AFTER it gets watered. It sags, it claws, you think it's overwatered but it's really just overfed and you gotta get the soil diluted down in that scenario. Overwatered or overfed, a plant reacts similarly because both involve oxygen deprivation.

I hate to ask this, but the solution now would be to basically flush it with more water? Or should I just wait until the roots expand into the new soil from the bigger pot and wait it out?

 

[Ninjadogma]

I hate to ask this, but the solution now would be to basically flush it with more water? Or should I just wait until the roots expand into the new soil from the bigger pot and wait it out?

The problem is if it is high salt, your roots aren't going to do a whole lot of growing in their dehydrated state. it's been a day or two, you are probably okay to do it for your next watering which ought to come up in the next day or two. So what you are going to want to do is water evenly, slowly and in small increments a couple ounces at a time and stopping for about 30 seconds in between using a volume of water about 25% of the volume of your container, and you are aiming for about 25% of that water you poured in to come out the bottom. So an example if it's a 5 gallon pot you're gonna pour roughly 1.25 gallons in and get a quart back, and unless there's some hard pockets that should be enough to dilute it down a little. But if there's salt pockets the EC will actually climb as the water hits them so that's why it's always nice to work with a pen and watch for yourself what's happening, is it climbing or falling with subsequent pours.

 

[MileHiGhost]

Team
Need some help here Because I don't know what's wrong. Everything was going great. These were 3 of the strongest seeds I have grown. Had these in small 12 ounce pots since thanksgiving. They were doing great but started to droop a little so I repotted to what you see now on Saturday. They don't look any better. This is not my first grow so I have done this before but I can figure out what is causing this. I haven't given any nutes and when I repotted I used fresh FFOF.
When they were in the small pots they were under 2 single 6500k 100w bulbs and 1 5000k 100w bulbs at 18/6. When I repotted I moved them into the big tent under the VS3000 at 25% around 18" been constantly around 70% RH and 78%. I will say it was not that warm and humid before I moved them as they were in a closet

Soil is easy to over water.

 

[Ninjadogma]

Soil is easy to over water.

Easy to over-water in frequency and under-water in volume. Probably 90% of problems trace back to it.

 

[WinJr63]

The problem is if it is high salt, your roots aren't going to do a whole lot of growing in their dehydrated state. it's been a day or two, you are probably okay to do it for your next watering which ought to come up in the next day or two. So what you are going to want to do is water evenly, slowly and in small increments a couple ounces at a time and stopping for about 30 seconds in between using a volume of water about 25% of the volume of your container, and you are aiming for about 25% of that water you poured in to come out the bottom. So an example if it's a 5 gallon pot you're gonna pour roughly 1.25 gallons in and get a quart back, and unless there's some hard pockets that should be enough to dilute it down a little. But if there's salt pockets the EC will actually climb as the water hits them so that's why it's always nice to work with a pen and watch for yourself what's happening, is it climbing or falling with subsequent pours.

Yes very true my salt build up is just about to its normal. Two days ago 7.1 ph runoff 14 gallons later a healthy 6.8 ph.
Today yes get ready....24 gallons @5.5 plus coco coir drys alittle and ph goes up, runoff 6.9ph 8 gallons later 6.8 and 6.9 bouncing finished at steady 6.7 ph.
Tomorrow shooting for a 6.4 ph and keeping around there.

 

[Jimmy_Dickskin]

So all in all do you guys think these plants will recover or at this early stage are they already too far gone? If the time for them to recover and get back on track is longer than a time it will take for me to start new seeds and get back to the stage I guess I will just start new seeds without the stunted growth and health issues