straincreation said:

Theres only 9ne type of banan keft and fucken dole owns the genetics! As far as the mass produced banans. Ya theres little ones and shit but the banan you see at the store is the only kind left of it kind.

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Which were almost wiped out by a fungus, if you remember back in the day the way banana candy used to taste, and it doesnt taste anyrhing like that no more, that was another breed that dole owned except that one dis get wiped out by the fungus

Dunge said:

Equivocation vis-a-vie rejection of drift.

Consider the banana.

It is my understanding that the banana is exclusively cloned.
Did all the verities of banana presently available come from drift, or were they individually captured from mutant original plants?

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Bananas reproduce in a similar way as green onions. They eventually grow another rizom that is a clone of the original plant. You can force bananas to produce seeds but the seeds produced by most slightly older methods lead to seeds that germanate maybe one out of 10000 seeds.
As for why there are seeded bananas... I would think it would be obvious. After weed the next crop to be cultivated was bananas and it took a lot of work (by whoever did that work) to change them from something alot like a vanilla pod to a banana.
Most, if not all, of the "wild" bananas are early seeded varieties that were eventually abandonded in favor of better genetics but the seeds and plants thrived without us. Sound a little like hemp? It is, but older.

Redgravemine said:

Bananas reproduce in a similar way as green onions. They eventually grow another rizom that is a clone of the original plant. You can force bananas to produce seeds but the seeds produced by most slightly older methods lead to seeds that germanate maybe one out of 10000 seeds.
As for why there are seeded bananas... I would think it would be obvious. After weed the next crop to be cultivated was bananas and it took a lot of work (by whoever did that work) to change them from something alot like a vanilla pod to a banana.
Most, if not all, of the "wild" bananas are early seeded varieties that were eventually abandonded in favor of better genetics but the seeds and plants thrived without us. Sound a little like hemp? It is, but older.

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Oh ya, this was on genetic drift. Well, there is very little to any genetic drift from banana to banana. They are all identical. And there are a lot of bananas grown every year. I do know that it does happen, but it normally takes forever.

This is a discussion i had with a couple of friends (both involved as caregivers, wich is not my case). So the approach of the exchange was 100% empiric in both side. Take it as it.

The fact is that the equation appear to totally change depending on the "output" aimed : weed grade or seed grade. Even with close and experienced friends it can be difficult to reduce the debate to its simplest and coldest expression. Both sides can't avoid reccurent patterns of experiences that sometimes are opposites in results.

For the weed grades, we have reached a shared consensus on the fact that a plant can have multiple apogees and perigees during its artificial "neverending spanlife" (cannabis stay an annual by nature). It can be annoying for a selection and the grade constancy in the exact same way for somes specimens. We sorted too many different cases to been able to generate a kind of absolute rule. But we agreed both sides that it depend on the genotype of the specimens in question and that the "stabilized lines" (mostly old school today) handle it more in ease that with "neverending heterosis loops projects".

For the seeds grade (genetic side, not for oil etc...), it's a problematic that somes "long term" breeders have faced at least one time in theyr life. And it's generally when you start to explain the details and methods that tensions grow up lol Outside the maturity of the clones used and the right timing to respect for pollenisation, the conditions of the initial specimens can change the expression of the offspring from a batch to another. Sometimes it's usefull to lock a genetic, sometimes it's just a pain in the (...) with bitchy cuts.

In very synthetic, we were able to say in one voice that irreversible genetic drifts are not linked with the specific act of cloning but with the intrinsic health of the plant (=donor).

Its not the genetics that drift on people. .. its bad cloning practice... may it be bad ph/temp/water.... the person is taking a perfectly healthy plant and cloning it retarded.

Some keep the same plant and quality weed for years

the environment ( including medium ) determine changes in phenol expressions and can bring forth or change genetic expressions after exposure w/ environment, for good or bad.

and its a rapid change.

m.j. is an annual plant. it's not changing until the next generation and then the next if grown in the same conditions it will adapt or express full potential. this also includes advancement against pest.

so really. what do people expect from a 12 year old clone thats been bathed in chemicals and held in suspended state, frozen in time never allowed advancement but introduced into more stress. bugs will destroy them and the internal immune system a shell of it's former self.

if kept in a goods environment, organic a mother has a chance.

all the other clones fall apart over time / salts