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Lst is trainng your plant to grow horizontally keeping it all even and getting the most out of an area and keeping the plant low...till you decide to let it come up..i see supercroping helps when some branches have gotten too tall and unable to b lst'd back down.both forms are used to either shape a plant how to want and to produce bushier plants and keeping an even canopy.i super crop when i cant get a branch to go where i want it too.like to fill in a vacant area..hope this helps.my plant lst'd with few branches supercroppedView attachment 845527 View attachment 845528
Yoy gotta squeeze the cells inside using thumb and index finger and it will droop.you can use a stick to hold it horizontal and tape it till it mends..you read alot that they are fragile which is rubbish.they are pretty robust.i dont consider supercropping hst.where i have lst'd a branch it has split the stem like a couple cms into the trunk and it doesnt even seem to b affecting it.
It probably is but its not showing it.
thanks i thought super cropping was like LST but people made it sound like i'd get higher yields if i super cropped then LST "higher risk higher reward" type deal but in this case more stress.
i did end up super cropping 1 leaf because yea i couldn't LST it so i figured what a good way to experiment i didn't break it off but i heard it snap and tried to bend up but idk doesn't want to bend over like a kink. just gonna let it do it's own thing. already planning to let the plants grow vertically now because i think my lights won't be able to handle all 3 plants later on when i am close to flipping.
could also just continue and keep them in veg until i get new lights as well but who knows. kind of ready to try new strains
I don't know about higher yields but I've read stressing the plants through these techniques causes more potent flowers. It's supposedly a defense mechanism.
thanks i thought super cropping was like LST but people made it sound like i'd get higher yields if i super cropped then LST "higher risk higher reward" type deal but in this case more stress.
i did end up super cropping 1 leaf because yea i couldn't LST it so i figured what a good way to experiment i didn't break it off but i heard it snap and tried to bend up but idk doesn't want to bend over like a kink. just gonna let it do it's own thing. already planning to let the plants grow vertically now because i think my lights won't be able to handle all 3 plants later on when i am close to flipping.
could also just continue and keep them in veg until i get new lights as well but who knows. kind of ready to try new strains
yea i read that too but didn't really understand it. something that it produces more THC due to the stress. i think it's because when you super crop it thinks it's getting eaten or a branch broke off so it basically tries to repair itself by shooting off hormones to creat more branches but i think if you super crop close to switching to flowering or something it can instead produce more THC on the buds instead.
idk though thats just my theory i dont see anyone really super cropping during flowering or close to it. i also read having a fan directly on the buds helps produce more thc.
as for yields i think they were talking about why they super crop which is essentially to open more space for light to hit nodes so basically like LST but with higher stress. i would highly assume the more stress the more reward though. too much isn't a good thing but stress in general helps the plant significantly when you look at it. wind - strong stems, LST- more nodes, Super cropping - more nodes at least. i also read the knuckle part basically helps transport nutrients better. i think this is because basically when you stress the plants out they should grow more vigorously thus more root development to counter act nutrient uptake or oxygen/water via the roots.
just my guesses though im hoping these plants get super frosty. my first grow outside in flowering isn't very good. not very frosty and i can barely smell the buds unless i stick my face right in it. smells good but it's very faint
You tried super cropping 1 leaf? Lmfaooo ok guys here’s the thing. When you “super crop” your breaking the inner cell wall of the STALK. If your trying it on a leaf, I don’t know what you want to gain? What will you see when you super crop? You will see more and tighter nodeing in my experience from where the damage was done and above. I have found thank will produce larger colas and greater yield. I have seen people beat their plants with a stick to achieve this and I have seen people meticulously roll stalks between their forefinger and thumb until they just pop the inner wall. That’s how I do it, when I do it.
BUT here’s the thing. This is a super advanced technique, for it to actually increase yields or potential potency the. You have to have everything else dialed in. Too often I see new growers try to attempt complex techniques and then not understand when things go wrong. I honestly think people would be more successful, learn more and become the best growers they could be by at first just growing the plants. Very minimal feed, very little topping or training. Learn how true plant grows. Watch it and learn how to understand what it’s telling you, what does it need, how fast does it drink, how full are my roots, when do I transplant, is this too much light, is this not enough light, etc can all be learned by just taking your time. Too often people want to achieve huge yields and incredible smoke. It can be done from the first grow, and I suggest you achieve that by staying basic. LST is basic, super cropping is advanced. Getting cuttings to root (basic), grafting strains together is advanced. You will be so much happier and learn so much more by not rushing the experience and taking more than you can bite. I have seen people lst, super crop, buy every sensor they can find, the most expensive everything and go full in. With no real experience he failed every time. Blamed it on soil, bugs, equipment and then after 6 failed grows he asked me to come help. I walked him through the basics. And then made him start fresh, full grow and basic. He learned a lot. He now does some amazing things, has a half dozen excellent harvests and can read his plants.
Trying to do advanced techniques when you have no or only a couple grows under your belt is like learning how to do addition, and then trying to give a seminar the next week on the theory of relativity through its mathematical language.
My two cents but if you really want to learn how to grow the best, learn to listen to your plants. Learn how they grow unadulterated and then sub them ladies and make them call you daddy.
You tried super cropping 1 leaf? Lmfaooo ok guys here’s the thing. When you “super crop” your breaking the inner cell wall of the STALK
When I said defensive mechanism I meant that when they're damaged they increase their psychotropic effects to deter animals from continuing to eat them. We may like the effects but animals generally do not. Also, the resin irritates skin. I know this because I grow very large outdoor plants and it gets all over me when I'm training or pruning. I've heard of deer eating plants but they won't even walk through a garden where I live.
Maybe it is, but I don't consider super cropping an advanced technique. Unless I'm ill informed it's just chopping off the tops. Anyone can easily do it and it's effective whether your grow is dialed or not. I'm not trying to offend but I think you're making much ado about nothing. In fact most of the growing techniques are simple and I see very little reason for any semi competent person to waste a season before trying them out. In my experience I've learned far more and faster from just diving in and making mistakes. It's how we we're wired as human beings. You don't know the stove is hot till you touch it, and if you're not a complete moron you won't touch it again.
My first year I spent over $3k to grow 11lbs, my second I spent $500 and grew 15lbs, with one less plant. It wasn't on accident, it was from fully immersing myself in the growing experience. Next year I plan to break out above 20lbs. I couldn't have done it had I not tried my hand at "advanced" techniques from the beginning.
At the same time I've started to learn indoor growing & breeding, and truth be told, I completely blew it. But I learned soooo much. My girls are stunted, got nothing like the pollen flowers I wanted, there are burnt leaf tips everywhere, and flowers are small. Despite all that, today, right now, what's left of them is beautiful and very healthy because I learned from my mistakes.
This is not a slam, cause from what I've read of your posts you appear to know your sh*t and I respect that. This is just my opinion, and wanted to give an alternative viewpoint, one novice grower to another.
It’s neat you have two grows under your belt. I had two under my belt before I left middle school. I have well over 20 years of experience, so I’m
Not blowing smoke. Slam or not, I could care less, I was trying to help you newbs out but you know better
You are Ill informed. That’s topping. Not super cropping. Not even close. Awesome
Opinion on a subject you clearly
Don’t understand. Google it and there is a ton of reading. My mom taught me how to top plants when I was like 7, that is basic. Super cropping as I said involves breaking an inner stalk wall. Causing damage, this is High Stress Training. I say this is advanced because if you don’t have you shit on lock, and you decide to fuck up your plant, cause let’s be real that’s what you are doing, then your yield will be shit as your unhealthy plant tries to recover. It’s neat you have two grows under your belt. I had two under my belt before I left middle school. I have well over 20 years of experience, so I’m
Not blowing smoke. Slam or not, I could care less, I was trying to help you newbs out but you know better
Dude, I do that sh*t, just didn't know IT was actually super cropping not topping. I'm no dummy I was just misinformed by a bad article I read and never looked into it further. Stop acting like you need years of experience and it'll hurt the plants if you don't do it right. That's absolute bullsh*t. It's easy and likely the worst damage that'll be done is a broken branch. I got knots all over my girls. Growing is easy dude. You're just trying to scare the noobs to make yourself look good.
it's okay bro just let it go. we all just here to grow and learn. grow your own ways get your best buds, smoke it, w.e. it's all about learning. not comparing dick sizes if anything i probably got the smallest one
Hahaha, that's very diplomatic of you. I misapplied a term and he could have corrected me without being a douche about it. I don't make mistakes like that very often and I usually don't make them twice. The guy's had an attitude all over the forum acting like he's some grow god. I shouldn't let it get under my skin but I just don't like him. Sorry I snapped back at him on you're thread. I'm usually much better a letting sh*t like that go.
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