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I was thinking Of using something similar to whats listed here. I know Multi Zen definitely helped me get Thick trunks. If I can get my base down using what your using and a spin of this. Hopefully I can get the results I am used to. Instead of the small leafy yet really crystally dank nonsense I have been getting lately!
I see how there could be issues with stacking. I've been giving them a foliar 2x a week with either seagreen or straight kelp to avoid this. I'll throw some shots up on my grow log once they start doing their thing if you're interested: https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/blueberry-bubblegum-dtw.80825/
@pugliese63 nice looking recipe, any chance you can post its elemental ppms?
Ammonium Sulfate ordered!
Hydrolized whey protein powder? Ummm, Like the stuff I use when I go to the gym(or pretend to,ha!)
I was thinking Of using something similar to whats listed here. I know Multi Zen definitely helped me get Thick trunks. If I can get my base down using what your using and a spin of this. Hopefully I can get the results I am used to. Instead of the small leafy yet really crystally dank nonsense I have been getting lately!
Kelp definitely tightens inter-nodal spacing because of it's natural PGR's, it also aids in inducing flower faster. It's a great alternative to Paclo products!I don't believe they aid in the swell, though I don't believe they hurt. I read some anecdotal evidence pointing at naturally occurring pgrs in kelp helping with stacking.
Edit: when I refer to stacking I mean keeping internodal spacing close during stretch.
Hi I have a question for you regarding the formula on ammonium phosphate vs mono ammonium phosphate.Here's the formula I run and love it. It was given to me by a very good grower who doesn't post a lot these days, @dizzlekush. He pointed out that the 3-2-1 is not bad formula just not optimized.
Per gallon:
2.5. grams Jack's Hydro
2.5 grams Cal nitrate
.25 grams potassium silicate
.25 grams ammonium sulfate
or
.25 grams ammonium phosphate ACS Diabasic
This is the base formula he gave me. The ammonium sulfate the first three weeks. Around day 21 switch to the ammonium phosphate.
I supplement this formula with:
1 gram powdered fulvic acid
.25 grams Sea 90 (amazing spectrum of over 90 trace elements and micronutrients)
.25 grams Hydrolized whey protein powder (for amino acids)
3 ml bio weed kelp
The Hydrolized whey will definitely make a difference in flower size. Amino acids are very effective bloom boosters.
The great thing about Jack's is you can customize your formulation. This is just the formula I use. I have read in this thread other growers using various ratios with very good results.
On another note here's a link to a product I'm considering using in the near future. It's has Phosphite which seems to be getting some interests these days. The explanation on the difference in phosphorus and phosphite is very interesting. I'll report my experience with it in the near future.
https://customhydronutrients.com/ze...cPath=36_340&zenid=c5t4358r619j2dhuqcu4p4vhr3
This is a great thread and has a lot of salient info. Nice to see it still thriving.
I know this is an old thread but im running jacks now. Did you ever get trichome coverage like you were used to? I finished my first run and noticed the very same thing.Yea I'm running the 3-2-1
It just seems that I'm not getting the trichs coverage I'm use to.
I dont run 321 either. I got nice weight but not frosty like yours.Disclaimer...not 321 :shockedninja:
Anyone using this Variation on the 3-2-1 that's including the Ammonium Sulphate? Anyone do the numbers this? I feel like like my Jacks RDWC is missing something once I get into the second month of Veg with my 2 month Vegged plants. Overall they look paler than they should. Might even be total PPM being low. I only change my Reservoirs once a week and still haven't quite nailed the Top-ups. I can not figure out what my target PPM is when I top up because.... I start to get a Build up of PPM and get nervous about adding back too much Nutrient. It seems clear the formula is not used evenly across the spectrum of Nutrients. However what is left behind clearly doesn't burn as I end up easily sometimes at 1500n on a low rez right before change out.
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