KISS method with maxibloom- issues

Mudslinger · Jan 17, 2023

Hey, Coco growers! I posted this issue in the general form and felt that some people didn’t understand the kiss method and growing in cocoa so I thought I would try this for him.

As you can see by the video, there is some deficiencies going on in my plant.

A little background, I’ve had the plants for five or six days now I purchased them as teen sized clones. When I received them, they were nice and dark green. They are in roughly 60% perlite and 40% cocoa. Little by little I am getting some slight yellowing, especially towards the tops.

I have run the kiss method before about four different times and totally understand the process, but I am struggling here.

My process is to mix one teaspoon of maxibloom per gallon of water, as well as 1 teaspoon of Cal Meg And for good measure a pinch of recharge. The pH of the nutes going into the soil is about 6.0, I measured the runoff just now and the runoff is measuring 6.4.

I have tinkered with the light intensity and the height above the plants since I’m not sure if it’s light burn or not. I

could certainly use some advice for people who grow using the kiss method. Thanks!

ninjadip · Jan 17, 2023

i am unsure of what your KISS method is. i take KISS more as a philosophy than a methodical way to grow. You might have to explain what your KISS method is for others to help. IMO it doesn't look like light burn at all, as that will affect the top part of the plant the most.

looks like some kind of deficiency/excess

Mudslinger · Jan 17, 2023

Good clarification,

the kiss method involves using nothing but Maxi bloom throughout the entire grow at a rate of about one teaspoon per gallon. If needed you add cal-mag and silica if required.

It’s a very proven and effective method because you don’t change anything from start to finish. Again, this is only possible using Coco.

As mentioned I’ve used this method for four different grows and it’s wonderful for its simplicity and results.

Here is the thread: https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/micks-coco-k-i-s-s-scrog-method.1452599/

TinFoilHat · Jan 17, 2023

Maxibloom has plenty cal/mag in it alone, adding more will cause issues. Also the 1 tsp is (usually) not always but for me it caused burn. If I'm doing powder I go about 1/2 tsp per gal.

MIGrampaUSA · Jan 17, 2023

Mudslinger said:
Good clarification,

the kiss method involves using nothing but Maxi bloom throughout the entire grow at a rate of about one teaspoon per gallon. If needed you add cal-mag and silica if required.

It’s a very proven and effective method because you don’t change anything from start to finish. Again, this is only possible using Coco.

As mentioned I’ve used this method for four different grows and it’s wonderful for its simplicity and results.

Here is the thread: https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/micks-coco-k-i-s-s-scrog-method.1452599/

Who came up with this program? Certainly not General Hydroponics, a company with an R&D team who have put plenty of time and effort into their product.

Its not that we don't understand your attempt to use the "KISS" method. It's that you don't understand that MaxiBloom is only 1 part of a 2 part nutrient program. If you use both MaxiGrow and MaxiBloom AS DIRECTED BY General Hydroponics ... use at half strength if you prefer as @TinFoilHat suggested ... you should be fine.

Your plants are not getting the nutrition they require. Carry on if you like, but not only I but all the others "who you say don't understand" what you're trying to do have told you that you need to feed your plants correctly by stage of growth. Most of us who responded in the other thread are experienced growers.

Here's the thing. Coco has zero nutrients of its own unless you're buying a hopped up mix. If you had a good nutrient rich soil mix, your KISS method would probably work just fine. You're in coco and it needs to be handled "as coco" and not treated as soil. @2Bad ... I believe he's a coco grower. Say what you want about experienced growers "not understanding," but to those of us who have experience growing ... we know better. We know what we're talking about.

2Bad · Jan 17, 2023

MIGrampaUSA said:
Who came up with this program? Certainly not General Hydroponics, a company with an R&D team who have put plenty of time and effort into their product.

Its not that we don't understand your attempt to use the "KISS" method. It's that you don't understand that MaxiBloom is only 1 part of a 2 part nutrient program. If you use both MaxiGrow and MaxiBloom AS DIRECTED BY General Hydroponics ... use at half strength if you prefer as @TinFoilHat suggested ... you should be fine.

Your plants are not getting the nutrition they require. Carry on if you like, but not only I but all the others "who you say don't understand" what you're trying to do have told you that you need to feed your plants correctly by stage of growth. Most of us who responded in the other thread are experienced growers.

Here's the thing. Coco has zero nutrients of its own unless you're buying a hopped up mix. If you had a good nutrient rich soil mix, your KISS method would probably work just fine. You're in coco and it needs to be handled "as coco" and not treated as soil. @2Bad ... I believe he's a coco grower. Say what you want about experienced growers "not understanding," but to those of us who have experience growing ... we know better. We know what we're talking about.

i've heard of people using veg nutrients only through the entire grow...never bloom nutes but to each their own

MIGrampaUSA · Jan 17, 2023

2Bad said:
i've heard of people using veg nutrients only through the entire grow...never bloom nutes but to each their own

I've heard of that too. What I've not hear of is someone trying to get nitrogen from a sterile mix.

Mudslinger · Jan 17, 2023

MIGrampaUSA said:
Who came up with this program? Certainly not General Hydroponics, a company with an R&D team who have put plenty of time and effort into their product.

Its not that we don't understand your attempt to use the "KISS" method. It's that you don't understand that MaxiBloom is only 1 part of a 2 part nutrient program. If you use both MaxiGrow and MaxiBloom AS DIRECTED BY General Hydroponics ... use at half strength if you prefer as @TinFoilHat suggested ... you should be fine.

Your plants are not getting the nutrition they require. Carry on if you like, but not only I but all the others "who you say don't understand" what you're trying to do have told you that you need to feed your plants correctly by stage of growth. Most of us who responded in the other thread are experienced growers.

Here's the thing. Coco has zero nutrients of its own unless you're buying a hopped up mix. If you had a good nutrient rich soil mix, your KISS method would probably work just fine. You're in coco and it needs to be handled "as coco" and not treated as soil. @2Bad ... I believe he's a coco grower. Say what you want about experienced growers "not understanding," but to those of us who have experience growing ... we know better. We know what we're talking about.

Thanks for the response, I mean absolutely no disrespect, but because you don’t understand the kiss growing method does not mean it’s wrong or incorrect . I did include a link to a popular thread at GrassCity and hundreds and hundreds of people have used it successfully including myself and many of my local growing friends use the kiss method. I would encourage you to look through the thread. Perhaps your concerns will be addressed. It does not require anything else other than maxi Bloom. It is tested And has demonstrated proven results time and time again. Again, absolutely no disrespect to you, but there are other ways to grow beyond what general hydroponics lists on the back of their bottles.

ninjadip · Jan 17, 2023

Mudslinger said:
It’s a very proven and effective method because you don’t change anything from start to finish. Again, this is only possible using Coco.

I'm not trying to insult you, but i think that statement you made is very subjective. "very proven and effective"? idk... the big reason this method won't always work is because it is too simple. What @MIGrampaUSA is telling you is "facts." the people who make MaxiBloom (general hydroponics) spend time and money on research into their nutrient programs. While yes, they are in it to make money, but if there is a problem with your plants only using one of their 2 part system, that would be on you.
I completely understand it worked before. But if it doesn't work this time, the answer isn't more MaxiBloom or "fresh" maxibloom. Come on now... To "fix" this you will have to modify your method, your KISS method.

Mudslinger · Jan 17, 2023

ninjadip said:
I'm not trying to insult you, but i think that statement you made is very subjective. "very proven and effective"? idk... the big reason this method won't always work is because it is too simple. What @MIGrampaUSA is telling you is "facts." the people who make MaxiBloom (general hydroponics) spend time and money on research into their nutrient programs. While yes, they are in it to make money, but if there is a problem with your plants only using one of their 2 part system, that would be on you.
I completely understand it worked before. But if it doesn't work this time, the answer isn't more MaxiBloom or "fresh" maxibloom. Come on now... To "fix" this you will have to modify your method, your KISS method.

Lol! I feel like I’m explaining the concept of an electric vehicle replacing gasoline and people are telling me it’s impossible, and yet it’s happening. Just let it go. I will figure it out. Thank you and all respect to everybody including grandpa, lol

MIGrampaUSA · Jan 17, 2023

Mudslinger said:
Thanks for the response, I mean absolutely no disrespect, but because you don’t understand the kiss growing method does not mean it’s wrong or incorrect . I did include a link to a popular thread at GrassCity and hundreds and hundreds of people have used it successfully including myself and many of my local growing friends are use the kiss method. I would encourage you to look through the thread. Perhaps your concerns will be addressed. It does not require anything else other than maxi Bloom. It is tested And has demonstrated proven results time and time again. Again, absolutely no disrespect to you, but there are other ways to grow beyond what general hydroponics lists on the back of their bottles.

In coco? Someone is spinning you in the wrong direction.

I fully understand the "Kiss" approach. It stands for keep it simple (I substitute silly for stupid) silly. It will work in a rich organic mix. It's not going to work very well in your standard nutrient-free coco mix. By the way, the reason coco growers like coco is because they have complete control of what they feed the plant! Although some new growers use it and have success, coco is more for the experienced grower.

2Bad · Jan 17, 2023

I just took a look at the plants...and well..they don't look like they reach their full potential with your method. Sure it works but they could be thicker and maybe even grow faster with the correct nutrients.

MIGrampaUSA · Jan 17, 2023

Mudslinger said:
Lol! I feel like I’m explaining the concept of an electric vehicle replacing gasoline and people are telling me it’s impossible, and yet it’s happening. Just let it go. I will figure it out. Thank you and all respect to everybody including grandpa, lol

No, I fully understand electric vehicles and I'll embrace them once the infrastructure is in place to support them. Just right now, there's not a lot of places to charge them and I don't have 220 in my garage.

My problem with your method is the media you're using. I've said it repeatedly. Treat coco as coco. It's not soil. Your kiss method was designed with the soil grower in mind. Most good mixes have enough nutrients for a 4 week veg.

GreenGalaxyFarm · Jan 17, 2023

would add feeding only maxi bloom in flower when you are running a super soil for veg maybe, not growth nutrient during veg? what kind of optimal results can you expect with this method using nothing in coco an inert medium

ninjadip · Jan 17, 2023

Mudslinger said:
Lol! I feel like I’m explaining the concept of an electric vehicle replacing gasoline and people are telling me it’s impossible, and yet it’s happening. Just let it go. I will figure it out. Thank you and all respect to everybody including grandpa, lol

listen... we understand your method. i read the article. but every strain has different needs. every light will make different needs on the plant. there are too many variable for one grow recipe to work everytime.

think about it.

i know and understand that your method can and has worked. no one is debating that. but why ride a unicycle when there is another wheel in the shed?

you say your method has been used by hundreds, well General Hydroponics grow charts have been used by thousands upon thousands. if not more. i still trust their "money-scheming" chart as a good base. no, you don't need a 7 part nute line up, but two? that's not asking for much. put away your cal mag and get a grow nute. not sure why you are fighting this.

MIGrampaUSA · Jan 17, 2023

GreenGalaxyFarm said:
would add feeding only maxi bloom in flower when you are running a super soil for veg maybe, not growth nutrient during veg? what kind of optimal results can you expect with this method

That's exactly what I've been trying to say. Thanks @GreenGalaxyFarm

ninjadip · Jan 17, 2023

Mudslinger said:
Lol! I feel like I’m explaining the concept of an electric vehicle replacing gasoline and people are telling me it’s impossible, and yet it’s happening. Just let it go. I will figure it out. Thank you and all respect to everybody including grandpa, lol

if you feel no one else gets it, it's because we don't get that you don't get it.

you are asking for help. but say you can only use this one nute. well if adding more or less of that doesn't fix it, what else can we do but suggest something new to your lineup?

you don't want to change your current current grow style, but you want better plants.... ???

i'm curious what answer could meet your strict requirements and help your situation?
Ah. the answer you want: Keep doing what you are doing and say everyone else is wrong, and your plants will magically get better in the meantime.

Mudslinger · Jan 17, 2023

MIGrampaUSA said:
No, I fully understand electric vehicles and I'll embrace them once the infrastructure is in place to support them. Just right now, there's not a lot of places to charge them and I don't have 220 in my garage.

My problem with your method is the media you're using. I've said it repeatedly. Treat coco as coco. It's not soil. Your kiss method was designed with the soil grower in mind. Most good mixes have enough nutrients for a 4 week veg.

The electric vehicle analogy was simply an analogy. I won’t argue facts about that, lol.

Also, I have suggested people take a look at the thread on the other form. The kiss method is only for Coco and I completely understand the properties of Coco versus soil. Again, I would encourage you guys to check out the thread - you may actually learn a new technique. The kiss method, I believe is only intended for cocoa, and no other growing mediums.

2Bad · Jan 17, 2023

Mudslinger said:
The electric vehicle analogy was simply an analogy. I won’t argue facts about that, lol.

Also, I have suggested people take a look at the thread on the other form. The kiss method is only for Coco and I completely understand the properties of Coco versus soil. Again, I would encourage you guys to check out the thread - you may actually learn a new technique. The kiss method, I believe is only intended for cocoa, and no other growing mediums.

I just said I looked at the posts in that forum. They're not optimal.

Edit: we are simply saying why slack on an extra nutrient when it's so little work compared to growing a plant out for 4-5 months and it could improve your plants

ninjadip · Jan 17, 2023

2Bad said:
Edit: we are simply saying why slack on an extra nutrient when it's so little work compared to growing a plant out for 4-5 months and it could improve your plants

YES!!!!!
This is the most succinct answer.

Why resist something so small when it can do so much? -That's what she said

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