BearWater said:

Hey guys got a train wreck here for you! Are my GDL seedlings angry at the amount of light Im giving them? I had the lights about 20’’ away at first. The seedlings started to stretch a bit so I lowered the light, now I just raised it back up a bit. The seedlings do get a little bit of direct rising sun in the early morning but nothing too heavy or for too long. What do you guys think? The light is back up to 12’’ above the plant. 42 watt warehouse daddy specials. View attachment 2233827View attachment 2233828View attachment 2233829View attachment 2233830View attachment 2233831

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Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:

They look just fine. Often seedlings just keep stretching sometimes until they get really unfolded. Sometimes they lank out because it's a bit too warm. Sometimes one will lank out til it unfolds and 2 next to it won't.

Just be aware, some lineages will go cal-mag deficient too close to full spectrum LED panels. All my land race sativa genetics are like that. 1 inch too close and they develop deficiencies.

Most cannabis plants can take 10 inches off of 100 w full spectrum panel at 100% by the time they're as big as yours are. No problem. That's still half as intense as sunlight is with most panels.


Did you mean to post on the Trainwreck?


My journals pretty dead im too long winded, and too bad at being social most of the time lmao.

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BearWater said:

Thanks for the feedback TOGYK! My man im sorry! I thought this was train wreck!!!! I was kinda starting to think “damn the wreck thread is quiet this morning” hahaha!

Thats really interesting info about the LED lockout!? Im going to go read more up on that : ) thats the kind of paranoia and nightmarish thoughts I have and didnt even know it was a thing! thanks again : )

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Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:

They look just fine. Often seedlings just keep stretching sometimes until they get really unfolded. Sometimes they lank out because it's a bit too warm. Sometimes one will lank out til it unfolds and 2 next to it won't.

Just be aware, some lineages will go cal-mag deficient too close to full spectrum LED panels. All my land race sativa genetics are like that. 1 inch too close and they develop deficiencies.

Most cannabis plants can take 10 inches off of 100 w full spectrum panel at 100% by the time they're as big as yours are. No problem. That's still half as intense as sunlight is with most panels.


Did you mean to post on the Trainwreck?


My journals pretty dead im too long winded, and too bad at being social most of the time lmao.

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Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:

Cali blues clone joins the party looking REAL happy to be here. Looks like I got another 1 week rooter with the Cali Blues
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My jaw hits the floor with this plant, basically every day now.
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Mikedin said:

I love quick rooting strains, cman x okie 7 days

The roots in th at last one are funky looking, looks like where I removed the nodes it started to grow foliage then switched to roots lol

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Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:

Post here all you want, just keep in mind I may give a response like this one in return:


It's not that big of a deal but it's worth being able to recognize.

I agree with HPS for a long time so it took me quite a while to figure out that it was the light causing my magnesium issues in my land race genetics. I just thought they didn't like deep water culture. Then I took a several year break, and came back with the same genetics under LED and soil. At that point it didn't take long to figure out there was something fishy going on with LED panels.

The plants definitely treat light created by ionized plasma differently than they treat light coming from an LED, even if the PAR measurements are the same and the LED has far less total lux, the LED will still burn a land race lineage plant before an HPS bulb, a t5 tube, or the sun will.

With most plants it's not going to be a problem, so far I've only seen it personally in plants with recent land race heritage. My old Columbian, my peaceblasters, and my Maui 86 pheno.

The annoying thing is that calcium magnesium lockout, calcium magnesium deficiency, and an oversensitivity to LED lights all Express practically identically on the affected tissue lmfao.

And if you have a seedling that likes to link out because it's too warm, making the light go closer we'll actually make that problem worse

There's a give and take literally everything lol

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Eledin said:

Very interesting and cool what you got going on in here, cant wait to see your current runs in full flower. I cant keep up with how many strains you have hahaha. Here in Spain we try to mimick the best american strains and we have a couple good strains of our own aswell as dutch ones, but we dont have no okie dokie pookie spooky 36 oreoz purpz whatever, Im always just baffled at all the new strains that keep coming hahaha but hey, if theyre good theyre good man.

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Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:

Spain? Ima tell ya why i find that super neat lmao.

Seeing an american grower running on mostly straight goat shit and compost should make ya happy then. My in ground grow strategy is based pretty much entirely on how the old Appalachian hippies, and the old heads of Spain grow their fantastic outdoor cannabis right out the clay-dirt for generations lmfao.


A lot of my plants have their roots in the oldschool though tbh. Even my biggs is half pre 2010 bubba. It likely goes back further where it originated, thats just as far back as i know that bubba goes. It was the bubba that used to sit in many grow rooms next to the master kush in the early 2000s. Theres a few newer ones, the punch pie, the point break. The rest may have some unrecognized names, but the genetics are mostly oldschool sativa greats. Even special queen is an old Skunk #1 x Power Bud plant IIRC lol.

Cannabis names are getting really out there though. and Oh yea, i did just pop a bunch of seedlings with wackadoodle names lmao. Forgot.

Most of the time im showing some flower to someone in person, i just call them "this one"

I think i have like 20 distinct female phenotypes going rn. Im not even sure tbh. I havent even seen any of them flower yet, so all i know for sure im doing breeding wise is Peacblaster S1s, and a cali blues x PB1 fem F1. Ill prob make a reg cross with every clone i have in one go too with the male hay meadow, then decide which crosses im keeping after i sample the female flower from outside this fall.

My end goal, is an entire race/gene pool of "super sativas". Highly pest resistant, hermie resistant, mold and rot resistant, fast flowering, monster, high yielding, potent, non inbred, feminized sativa doms, where every plant is unique to itself. Good progress til i stopped growing 5 years ago. Once the columbian got brought in to the lineage, it was basically already that now flowering times just vary wildly at the current generation. Couple phenos are solid at 7, some take 10 or 11 indoors.

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BudRanger1919 said:

Beautiful outdoor space you got there! Plants are towering haha, very nice net work.

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Eledin said:

They look great! Must be a lot of work yes, theyre big

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Thatoneguyyouknow_ said:

The over achievers. All looking and smelling pretty damn good.

Mystery Sativa.
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Peaceblaster #2.
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cpurola said:

They are so pretty!

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